I am quite disappointed by the nomination of Harriet Miers to the United State Supreme Court.
In the past six months, it's almost as if President Bush decided that being conservative just isn't worth it, that the slings and arrows from the likes of Nancy Pelosi and CBS News are just too much. And I'm increasingly unethusiastic about supporting a President who isn't interested in limited Federal Government, can't get spending under control and refuses to keep his promise to nominate justices "in the mold of Scalia and Clarence Thomas" to the Supreme Court.
Liberals will laugh at this, but if it wasn't for the successes in the War on Terror, including in Iraq, I don't know if I could continue to support President Bush. This pick is just that disappointing. That reaction, which seems to be ricocheting around the right side of the blogosphere this morning, also leaves me increasingly pessimistic about the results of the 2006 elections. If the Republicans win, that will be a signal to them that everything to date has been acceptable. And if the Democrats win, it will result in head-over-heels retreat in the GWOT. On the Federal level, I'm left hoping for the emergence of a legitimate conservative party. And in the absence of one, I don't know what I'll do in 2006.







I'm bothered that Bush picked her because she's a friend and she's been loyal to him (even serving as his own personal lawyer for a time.) I also don't like that she's never been a judge. There are plenty of really good judges out there, with clear track records and rulings, who know what it's like to be a judge and write opinions, who would seem more suited to that high court than a buddy of Bush.
First of all, we don't really know how she'll decide cases. The word is that she's a moderate, but that doesn't necessarily translate into her decisions. Justice Souter was allegedly a conservative in his personal life, but rarely sides with the right on big cases. I think it's too early to make any sweeping judgments about her.
Secondly, I'm surprised that people are shocked that Bush is not as conservative as they thought. Just because he opposes taxes, that makes him a conservative? Not hardly. A lot of moderate Democrats oppose taxes as well. Remember when conservatives thought Bush 41 would be just like Reagan? Didn't happen. Bush has used the conservative base to get elected and to apply pressure on legislators when he needs to. Why do you think Bush doesn't say jack about a Federal Marriage Amendment anymore? He already got the millions of evangelicals that didn't vote in 2000 to vote for him in 2004.
David Frum:
"This is the moment for which the conservative legal movement has been waiting for two decades - two decades in which a generation of conservative legal intellects of the highest ability have moved to the most distinguished heights in the legal profession. On the nation's appellate courts, in legal academia, in private practice, there are dozens and dozens of principled conservative jurists in their 40s and 50s unassailably qualified for the nation's highest court. Yes, Democrats might have complained. But if Democrats had gone to war against a Michael Luttig or a Sam Alito or a Michael McConnell, they would have had to fight without weapons: the personal and intellectual excellence of these candidates would have made it obvious that the Democrats' only real principle was a kind of legal Brezhnev doctrine: that the court's balance must remain forever what it was in the days when Democrats had a majority of the votes in the US Senate - in other words, what we have, we hold. Not a very attractive doctrine, and not very winnable either.
The Senate would have confirmed Luttig, Alito, or McConnell. It certainly would have confirmed a Senator Mitch McConnell or a Senator Jon Kyle, had the president felt even a little nervous about the ultimate vote.
There was no reason for him to choose anyone but one of these outstanding conservatives."
I agree. My pick, Janice Rogers Brown, would have also been excellent. Instead, we're left with someone without solid conservative credentials and being urged by the President to "trust him." Get spending under control and start acting like a conservative again, and I might just trust you. But this pick is terrible.
Perhaps conservative Senators will have more luck discovering her views than Democrats had with Roberts. If they don't like her, they can vote no.
Perhaps conservative Senators will have more luck discovering her views than Democrats had with Roberts. If they don't like her, they can vote no.
Unfortunately, I don't see how one can trust anyone in the Senate to truly act conservative given their track record over the past few years, either.
Judicial nominations were our one big chance to really impact the overreaching of the Federal government over the past century. And now we've got a Republican President and 55 GOP Senators and what do we get? Harriet Miers. Blech.
I didn't really mean that they would grill her. Obviously she's going to pretty much fly right through. I'm just amazed that conservatives are so surprised. Bush picks a close friend. Film at 11. What else is new?
Roberts wasn't a close friend, and was an excellent pick. Why Miers now?
Roberts was Deputy Solicitor General under Bush 41 and had been nominated to the Court of Appeals by Bush. He may not have been a close friend, but he was an insider with ties to the Bush family.
At that level, there are always ties. So does Janice Rogers Brown, McConnell, Luttig and many others. But they're excellent judicial conservatives and staunch federalists. Why not them?
Perhaps a deal to get Roberts throught as Chief Justice without a filibuster? Interesting how nearly all of the Democrats who voted for Roberts were part of the leadership, but the rank-and-file largely opposed him.....
Liberals will laugh at this, but if it wasn't for the successes in the War on Terror, including in Iraq, I don't know if I could continue to support President Bush.
Hee hee. You're kidding, right?
New Flash: Bush used conservatives and evangelicals to get elected. You've served your purpose now be quiet.
Similar to Clinton in '92. Man did I believe in that guy. Guess what? He was a slimy politician who said what he needed to to say to get elected.
Some things never change.
But at least we're winning the War on Terror! :)
That doesn't explain Harry Reid's vote.
The more telling divide was Red State/Blue State divide: I think Harry Reid was the only Red-State Dem to vote against Roberts, although a handful of Blue-Staters voted in favor.
Democrats voting Yes:
Max Baucus of Montana
Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico
Robert Byrd of West Virginia
Kent Conrad of North Dakota
Russ Feingold of Wisconsin
Tim Johnson of South Dakota
Herb Kohl of Wisconsin
Mary Landrieu of Louisiana
Patrick Leahy of Vermont
Ben Nelson of Nebraska
Bill Nelson of Florida
Mark Pryor of Arkansas
Ken Salazar of Colorado
Christopher Dodd of Connecticut
Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut
Byron Dorgan of North Dakota
Carl Levin of Michigan
Ron Wyden of Oregon
Tom Carper of Delaware
Patty Murray of Washington
Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas
James Jeffords (I) of Vermont
Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia
Democrats voting no:
Evan Bayh of Indiana
Joseph Biden of Delaware
Barbara Boxer of California
Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York
Jon Corzine of New Jersey
Mark Dayton of Minnesota
Dick Durbin of Illinois
Dianne Feinstein of California
Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts
John Kerry of Massachusetts
Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey
Barbara Mikulski of Maryland
Barack Obama of Illinois
Harry Reid of Nevada
Charles Schumer of New York
Debbie Stabenow of Michigan
Jack Reed of Rhode Island
Tom Harkin of Iowa
Daniel Inouye of Hawaii
Paul Sarbanes of Maryland
Maria Cantwell of Washington
Daniel Akaka of Hawaii
Hee hee. You're kidding, right?
Nope, not at all.
New Flash: Bush used conservatives and evangelicals to get elected. You've served your purpose now be quiet.
Similar to Clinton in ˜92. Man did I believe in that guy. Guess what? He was a slimy politician who said what he needed to to say to get elected.
Some things never change.
But at least we're winning the War on Terror!
I realize that you're being sarcastic, but I'm not. At least we've got that.
I have no idea why Reid voted against Roberts. I'm sure he has his own other-worldly reasons.
Illinois, Mass, NY, NJ, Hawaii, Cal and Maryland - 2 Dem Senators, 2 no votes. What great company we keep here in the Land of Lincoln!
I must admit that this pick surprises me to no end. Bush's strategy is usually to go with the most divisive decision possible, get Democrats all riled-up and shouting blue murder, and then use the GOP majority to make them look like crazed, out-of-touch loons (which they're not, obviously). Bush just loves to stir stuff up and watch it brew. Why he didn't do it this time is beyond me.
My guess would have been that he'd have picked Janice Rogers Brown (a woman and a minority), and then superficially used any objection to her as a cry of racism and sexism. Speaking of which, I find it quite odd that when Democrats used to do this, they were decried by Republicans, and it was nearly suggested that racism and sexism were quaint notions of the past. Now, Republicans seem to use it as their go-to measure, all the while chiding others for "playing the race card." Can't have it both ways.
(btw, Janice Rogers Brown would have been an awful choice.)
paytonfan86 wrote "Remember when conservatives thought Bush 41 would be just like Reagan? Didn't happen."
It looks to me like Bush is acting a lot like Reagan. Reagan proposed budgets with massive deficit spending and pushed the tax burden down onto the middle class, just like Bush is doing.
The leadership of the national GOP has never been against tax and spend big government. They just want to tax different people and spend on different things than the Democrats. Specifically, they want to tax the average working person and spend on the defense industry and other large corporations. That's the working definition of an economic conservative, judging by the last three Republican Presidents.
The GOP doesn't really think the Dems are racist, but bringing up the issue is a nice way to quiet them down.
"Most divisive decision possible" - like the Education bill, like the prescription drug giveaway, like the caving to the farmers and steel companies - oh how I wish he would come down on a conservative principle no matter how divisive!
Heck, he even sought the middle ground on embryonic stem cells, and gave Congress one last chance to approve the military action in Iraq.
DL, I agree that there are aspects of Bush's presidency that resemble Reagan's. I meant George H.W. Bush, Reagan's successor. He was supposed to be Reagan, Part II. Didn't happen. I also think the circumstances of the government spending are different between Reagan's terms and Bush 43. Reagan still had the Soviet Union to contend with. Whether you agree with it or not, the strategy was to outspend them on a military buildup, thus leaving them with no way to keep up and no money to spend on their infrastructure. Thought it left us with a lot of debt, it was successful. And Reagan had a Democratic controlled Congress to deal with. He had to propose budgets that would be passed. Bush 43 has had no such problems to contend with.
"The GOP doesn't really think the Dems are racist, but bringing up the issue is a nice way to quiet them down."
So, you think it's false and, perhaps, wrong to play the race card, but you're all for setting morals aside when it comes to playing dirty in politics?
Interesting to know...
Turnabout is fair play.
I am not all for it, Matt, but I do think that is what is happening. It is dirty, and I wish the GOP would be above it.
So lets turn it around, do you really think the GOP is racist?
>(btw, Janice Rogers Brown would have been an awful choice.)
You are just sexist and racist.
I think this decision just underscores the dramatic difference between conservatives and Republicans. When are conservatives going to waks up and realize that for Bush & Co., it's all about making money for the old boy network, and nothing else? Rove riled up the Christian right and true conservatives with fearmongering over stock issues like gay marriage and abortion, taxation and immigration. But after the election, it's "Mission Accomplished." So long, and thanks for all the pork.
"Turnabout is fair play."
We are all adults here, right, Paytonfan86? For a moment I thought I'd stepped onto the playground.
"So lets turn it around, do you really think the GOP is racist?"
I think there are racist elements to most every aspect of society, RSW, so that would include pretty much every political party.
"You are just sexist and racist."
LOL. :-)
Matt,
If the Democrats have used the race card over and over, ad nauseam, then it would have been perfectly acceptable to use it against them. Like it or not politics is a dirty game.
"I think there are racist elements to most every aspect of society, RSW, so that would include pretty much every political party."
Everything is dirty to some degree, ergo nothing is clean.
For the sake of the world's laundromats, I hope this logical fallicy doesn't catch on.
IP, you said you would only continue supporting Bush because of "successes" in the "War on Terror, including in Iraq." Are you kidding?
First of all, Bush has not captured Osama bin Laden (remember him?) in four years since 9/11. In fact, he let him get away in Tora Bora because he was afraid of losing ground forces to ferret him out. Moreover, the government's pathetic response to the hurricane gives the lie to the idea that Bush has made this nation any more able to respond to disasters, terrorist or otherwise.
You apparently have also bought the absurd claim that "we are fighting terrorists in Iraq so we don't have to fight them at home." That is a flagrant distortion of what actually happened there. Our invasion and bungled occupation created a terrorist haven where none existed before. And, as you recall, the whole affair was touched off by make-believe WMD supposedly possessed by someone who had no hand in 9/11. After some 2,000 soldiers have already died for a lie, those remaining fight on so that Islamic Shari'a law can be enshrined in the new Iraqi constitution.
If you call these successes, I'd hate to see failure.
"Everything is dirty to some degree, ergo nothing is clean.
For the sake of the world's laundromats, I hope this logical fallicy doesn't catch on."
huh?
IP, you said you would only continue supporting Bush because of successes in the War on Terror, including in Iraq. Are you kidding?
I knew this would get some poor liberal's attention. No, I'm not kidding.
First of all, Bush has not captured Osama bin Laden (remember him?) in four years since 9/11. In fact, he let him get away in Tora Bora because he was afraid of losing ground forces to ferret him out. Moreover, the government's pathetic response to the hurricane gives the lie to the idea that Bush has made this nation any more able to respond to disasters, terrorist or otherwise.
I'm quite comfortable with our efforts regarding OBL. And I'm quite comfortable with the Federal response to Katrina.
You apparently have also bought the absurd claim that we are fighting terrorists in Iraq so we don't have to fight them at home. That is a flagrant distortion of what actually happened there. Our invasion and bungled occupation created a terrorist haven where none existed before. And, as you recall, the whole affair was touched off by make-believe WMD supposedly possessed by someone who had no hand in 9/11. After some 2,000 soldiers have already died for a lie, those remaining fight on so that Islamic Shari'a law can be enshrined in the new Iraqi constitution.
Do you know anyone fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan? Are they are pessimistic as you are? I know quite a few, and there are many more who have written about the events over there online. And the information that they share with me and that I've acquired online leaves me quite comfortable with the progress in Iraq and Afghanistan. I find that if you avoid CNN and the NY Times and CBS, it's quite easy to root for American success overseas instead of secretly, quietly hoping for failure.
If you call these successes, I'd hate to see failure.
And yet you (I assume) supported John Kerry.
As a liberal, I take unexpected delight in both of Bush's Supreme Court picks because they pose the possibility that the court might actually move to the LEFT! Roberts is clearly not as extreme as Rehnquist, and assuming Miers and O'Connor aren't too far apart, liberals actually come out ahead. Besides that, it will look alot better when a bunch of Republican appointees legalize equal marriage rights nationwide in five years or so.
IP asked, "Do you know anyone fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan?"
My boyfriend is shipping out for his second deployment to Iraq with the Marines in February.
Incidentally, I note that you responded to my indictment of the "War on Terror" with nothing of substance. You only offered ad hominem attacks and conclusionary claims that "you're comfortable" with this and that.
My boyfriend is shipping out for his second deployment to Iraq with the Marines in February.
And is he as pessimistic as you about our progress over there?
Incidentally, I note that you responded to my indictment of the War on Terror with nothing of substance. You only offered ad hominem attacks and conclusionary claims that you're comfortable with this and that.
I didn't really notice an idictment of anything. Usually indictments offer some sort of evidence. You repeated talking points that have no substance, and I replying that I didn't share any of your concerns about OBL or WMD. What further response would you like?
Yes, my partner does question the war on Iraq because he was led to believe that he would only be called to war when necessary to protect our liberties. Many of his colleagues understandably find it easier to remain in blind fealty to Bush so as to justify the daily risk to life and limb.
As per your claim that my arguments above lack evidence, that is bologna. My post is nothing if not pregnant with the facts. I can't help if they paint an unflattering picture of your party's administration of the "War on Terror."
Regarding the War on Terror, terrorists have swarmed to Iraq because that's where the fighting is. We're not creating new terrorists, just fighting ones from surrounding countries that don't want the war to come to them. It's funny how most of the terrorists are not Iraqi but Saudi, Egyptian, Jordanian, Lebanese, Iranian, and Yemeni.
As for bin Laden, you're right. One man isn't worth the lives of hundreds of elite soldiers. Instead we've marginalized him. How many of our buildings has he successfully flown airplanes into since 9/11? How many military ships has he blown holes into? It would be great to capture and execute him for his crimes, but preventing him from carrying out more attacks is an acceptable consolation prize.
Have you asked people in London and Madrid how they like their "prize?"
We're not responsible for internal security measures in London or Madrid.
Also, bin Laden is not the only member of al Qaeda. Nor is he the only strategist. He is a figurehead and an inspirational (religious possibly) figure to many terrorists, but I have yet to hear that bin Laden planned those attacks. al Qaeda doesn't operate like a country with one person giving the go-ahead on attacks.
Yes, my partner does question the war on Iraq because he was led to believe that he would only be called to war when necessary to protect our liberties. Many of his colleagues understandably find it easier to remain in blind fealty to Bush so as to justify the daily risk to life and limb.
Why is he still in the Corps? What is his continued motivation to serve a Commander-in-Chief that he doesn't trust on a mission in which he doesn't believe? When did he enlist? When does his contract expire? Has he re-enlisted? If so, why?
As per your claim that my arguments above lack evidence, that is bologna. My post is nothing if not pregnant with the facts. I can't help if they paint an unflattering picture of your party's administration of the War on Terror.ÂÂ
OK, please re-word your indictment (so "pregant with facts") so that I can understand it. This is what I've seen so far, and it's not really worth responding to, but here goes.
First of all, Bush has not captured Osama bin Laden (remember him?) in four years since 9/11. In fact, he let him get away in Tora Bora because he was afraid of losing ground forces to ferret him out.
I don't really care about OBL. He can't hurt us, or else he would be hurting us, and that's a good place for us to keep him. If we capture him, his only useful function will be to hold him for information, and then liberals will demand he be tried according to American law even though he's not an American citizen. Frankly, capturing him at this point doesn't really serve a purpose, as I think we know where he is and have nicely limited his capabilities.
Moreover, the government's pathetic response to the hurricane gives the lie to the idea that Bush has made this nation any more able to respond to disasters, terrorist or otherwise.
I think, if you'd read my way-too-long post on Katrina, that the Feds responded as well as could be expected to Katrina. They're the Feds - if you expect competence, you're bound to be disappointed. The only reason it was a story, though, was because the local and state authorities disintegrated, something that hasn't happened in other natural or terrorist disasters since 9/11. This administration has done as well as can be expected training and providing resources for first responders, but in LA and NO it didn't really matter because their leaders were incompetent and corrupt and many of their members were corrupt.
You apparently have also bought the absurd claim that we are fighting terrorists in Iraq so we don't have to fight them at home. That is a flagrant distortion of what actually happened there. Our invasion and bungled occupation created a terrorist haven where none existed before. And, as you recall, the whole affair was touched off by make-believe WMD supposedly possessed by someone who had no hand in 9/11. After some 2,000 soldiers have already died for a lie, those remaining fight on so that Islamic Shari'a law can be enshrined in the new Iraqi constitution.
Nope. I buy into the argument that democracy works, but that it will take time for the passions of those who would be suicide bombers to realize that they can effect more change at the ballot box. I think we should commit to staying in Iraq for decades, as we did with post-WWII Germany and Japan, in order to build in culture of democracy necessary to marginalize such behavior. And I don't care that the WMD weren't there, I only care that Saddam had them once and could have secured them again. I'm willing to make mistakes of aggression and commission rather than waiting for someone to hit us with a WMD.
And I don't care what France or Russia or China think about our efforts to eliminate threats before they materialize, either. I'm unwilling to rely on the absolutely corrupt UN or any other nation to protect our security.
Anything else?
He joined up for a term of 5 years shortly after high school in 2002, before the war on Iraq, because he felt called to duty by 9/11 and because he comes from a corner of creation where it's expected of young men to enlist after high school. He has not re-enlisted but continues to the discharge the duty to which he committed himself. I understand your dismay at the notion of dissent among the few and the proud, and you're probable unease upon hearing of a gay man choosing to serve a country which spurns him, but I assure you, there are plenty of each.
Who brought up the gay issue? I think most of us on here believe that anyone willing to take a bullet for their country is a person of honor. Preference has nothing to do with it.
IP seems so incredulous at the idea of a gay marine questioning the war even while fighting it.
He joined up for a term of 5 years shortly after high school in 2002, before the war on Iraq, because he felt called to duty by 9/11 and because he comes from a corner of creation where it's expected of young men to enlist after high school. He has not re-enlisted but continues to the discharge the duty to which he committed himself. I understand your dismay at the notion of dissent among the few and the proud, and you're probable unease upon hearing of a gay man choosing to serve a country which spurns him, but I assure you, there are plenty of each.
I'm glad he's serving. Our troops are the finest, most honorable in the world, and I understand that there are some who don't agree with the mission. I've found that every single soldier/marine/airman/sailor I personally know does support it, but I understand that won't always be the case.
I don't have many friends who are Marines, but they're the baddest dudes on the planet, as far as I'm concerned. I disagree with you (and him) politically, but I admire his honoring of his committment to his county and the Corps, and I hope he returns safely to a long, productive civilian life.
IP seems so incredulous at the idea of a gay marine questioning the war even while fighting it.
Oh, no, not at all. Why do you seem so incredulous at a conservative Republican who doesn't care about sexual orientation? As far as I'm concerned, it's irrelevant. You brought it up, not me, and I still didn't rise to the bait.
I just wanted to get a feel for where you're getting your information. The talking points you recited led me to believe that you are a consumer of the MSM/DNC. I'm glad you get some information about Iraq first-hand, but still disagree with your "indictment" of the GWOT.
Which specific facts in my posts do you allege to be inaccurate? That Bin Laden has not been captured? Bin Laden's escape at Tora Bora? The slow federal response to the hurricane? The fact that there were no terrorists in Iraq before the war? The lack of WMD in Iraq? Islamic law in the new constitution? 2,000 soldiers dead in Iraq? Please help me understand where I have been led astray by the "MSM," so that you can correct me with revealed truth from Faux News.
When did I say anything was inaccurate? I just don't think it's much of an indictment, that's all. And I don't watch Fox News. TV news is intolerable. Nice stereotype, though.
The fact that there were no terrorists in Iraq before the war?
OK, this is inaccurate.
Wouldn't it be something if Democrats and Republicans worked together to vote down Harriet Miers? Democrats could vote no due to lack of record and Republicans up for reelection next year could vote no because they'll be vulnerable to conservative Christian voters who feel betrayed. It's just a pipe dream, I know. Bush never would have nominated her if Specter hadn't assured him that she would more or less sail through. Burns, Dewine, Santorum, Chafee, and Allen are all going to be in hot races, though. Maybe more.
It's probably too late for a response to this, but I would be interested in the conservative response to the failures in luring the Sunnis into the consitutional process. Do you folks think the looting and general lawlessness after the completion of the invasion had something to do with this? For example, if we had maintained strict martial law in Baghdad, and given the Sunnis some real power right from the start, is it possible Iraq would be a more stable place right now? If not, what could we have done to better engage the Sunnis?
There's also the issue of Falluja, and the way our actions there turned the local Iraqis against us. Any regrets there?
Since 9/11 there have been thousands of terrorist attacks in the world, including the major incidents in London, Madrid, Bali, Bali, Casablanca, etc. It is now believed that Bin Laden does not even have control of the terrorist network, that incidents like the London bombing (indie) will become the norm. The chance of controlling the enemy gets further and further away every day.
There are unquestionably more terrorists in the world today spreading terror attacks throughout the globe. Bin Laden's aim from the start was to draw us out of our "hole" and into the open where he and his legions could attack us. The fact that 2000 of our soldiers are now dead in Iraq shows that his strategy is working. We have played into his hands.
If you want to believe we are winning this war, go right ahead. But if you have an argument about why we are winning this war, I would love to hear it. This is a global War on Terror. If you are "comfortable" with people dying on the tube, then that's your perogative. But it doesn't mean we are winning anything.
If you want to believe we are winning this war, go right ahead. But if you have an argument about why we are winning this war, I would love to hear it.
Two more democracies/republics in the Middle East than were there on 9/10/2001.
This is a global War on Terror. If you are comfortable with people dying on the tube, then that's your perogative. But it doesn't mean we are winning anything.
Of course the deaths by themselves don't mean we're winning anything. But having stable democracies as the norm in the middle east rather than the exception will do more to curtail terrorism than anything else that's been tried in the last 60 years. At some point, after great sacrifice, the young Iraqis who are now strapping bombs to their chests will realize that effecting political change through the electoral process is easier than killing women and children. When we get to that tipping point in Iraq, we'll have completely "won," but the Iraqis will have won more.
Face it. Conservatives got punked when it comes to Bush being the savior who would overturn Roe v. Wade.
At a news conference in Iowa in 2000, he was asked whether he would counsel a friend or relative who had been raped to have an abortion. He answered, "It would be up to her.''
That same year, Ari Fleischer, his press secretary at the time, said this to clarify his views on the issue: "There are several actions he thinks we can take and we should take and he will seek to take that can help make abortion more rare in America.'' Oh.
Then there are the statements from the women in his life. The president's mother and former First Lady, Barbara Bush, said this on banning abortion on ABC's This Week in 1999: "I don't think it should be a national platform. There's nothing a president can do about it, anyway.''
First Lady Laura Bush went even further. When asked on NBC's Today show in 2001 whether she thought Roe should be overturned, she said, "No, I don't think it should be overturned.'' Could she have been any clearer?
The political costs of actually appointing a judge who would overturn Roe v. Wade are too great for Rove to sign off on it. The Republicans can't afford to lose pro-life voters who are Democrats on every other issue and they can't afford to lose suburban, moderate pro-choice Republicans either.
I don't agree with Buchanan on much but when it comes to this we see eye to eye.
The conservative movement has been had -- and not for the first time by a president by the name of Bush.
Plus, if W selected judges that overturned Roe, he might never get nookie again. Rumor is that Laura is pro-choice.
The political costs of actually appointing a judge who would overturn Roe v. Wade are too great for Rove to sign off on it. The Republicans can't afford to lose pro-life voters who are Democrats on every other issue and they can't afford to lose suburban, moderate pro-choice Republicans either.
Exactly. These people are interested in maintaining the populist balance they have worked so hard to create. It's not easy convincing blue collar folk to vote Republican. It took a LOT of lies, and clever campaign commercials. No sense in antagonizing them into remembering they support the right to choose after all.
The problem is that they'll get away with it.
Two more democracies/republics in the Middle East than were there on 9/10/2001.
Barely. Give Iraq another month and we'll see. We're not kicking the crap out of Ramadi right now for no reason. Your people are very nervous about the consitution and I've heard the situation is a hair away from civil war. But I'll give you this one, the goal is a good one, though I'm not convinced that our brand of corporate-owned democracy is what the region needs right now. There is a ton of buy-in that still needs to happen. As long as Bechtel is one of the most powerful companies in Iraq, that buy-in will wait.
Of course the deaths by themselves don't mean we're winning anything. But having stable democracies as the norm in the middle east rather than the exception will do more to curtail terrorism than anything else that's been tried in the last 60 years.
I actually meant the Tube as in the London Underground, but I get your point. I would suggest that another possible answer might be to withdraw completely from the region. There is no evidence to suggest that the terrorists have any interest in attacking us if we are not forcing our will on their nations. Bin Laden was very specific about 9/11 - it was the troops in Saudi Arabia. They're now in Iraq.
When we get to that tipping point in Iraq, we'll have completely won, but the Iraqis will have won more.
I think you have too much faith in the "power" of democracy. Either that, or you underestimate the determination of people willing to die for their cause. But I hope you're right. I really do.
Exactly. These people are interested in maintaining the populist balance they have worked so hard to create. It's not easy convincing blue collar folk to vote Republican. It took a LOT of lies, and clever campaign commercials. No sense in antagonizing them into remembering they support the right to choose after all.
The problem is that they'll get away with it.
"Those poor, stupid Republican voters. You can't blame them; they don't really know any better."
I think you have too much faith in the power of democracy.
And I think you have not nearly enough.
And our troops were in Saudi on 9/11 for a reason - to prevent Saddam from invading Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. To withdraw them meant giving Saddam the green light to try it again, which was unacceptable. So we could have either waited and done nothing, or we could be proactive and try to stabilize the entire region by democratizing the most likely destablizing force. You would have preferred complete withdrawal or status quo, and I preferred being proactive, despite the risks and the costs. The payoff might be less than certain, but it's a risk and a cost that I'm willing to take. And I think we're much, much closer to winning than losing.
I'm quite comfortable with our efforts regarding OBL. And I'm quite comfortable with the Federal response to Katrina.
If you're quite comfortable with the fact that the president chose to gin up an excuse to invade Iraq in lieu of committing sufficient resources to hunt down OBL, and if you're quite comfortable with the fact that the president packed DHS with unqualified cronies in lieu of competent professionals, I feel quite comfortable in suspecting that you've lost all capability for rational thought.
It's not surprising at all that the troops you've spoken to have said that progress is being made. What else are they going to say? Bit-by-bit, man by man, I'm sure each of our troops correctly believes that they are making a positive difference in their own way. Unfortunately, they have a commander in chief so clueless that he once believed assertions that 15,000 troops would be sufficient to lead Ahmad Chalabi through throngs of flower-throwing Iraqis to George W. Bush Square. He persists in believing that the current troop commitment is sufficient to keep Iraq from sliding into civil war. Are our troops making a positive difference? You're damn right they are. Unfortunately they're being hung out to dry by an unqualified chickenhawk of a commander in chief, and an administration that cares far more about the welfare of their political careers and the financial condition of their donors than the welfare of the men who are risking their lives in Iraq on their behalf.
Any soldier in Iraq who isn't committed to the mission has no business being there. It's the duty of a soldier to do what his commander in chief requires. It's the duty of the citizenry to hold that commander in chief accountable. So far, 2,000 of America's finest men and women have made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq. What has the president, or his cronies, or the beneficiaries of his policies, sacrificed lately?
Bush's destabilization of Middle East oil flow helps ensure they and Asia will not be able to challenge American dominance for many more decades. The War on Terror gives us a reason to innovate and maintain a strong defense when we would be tempted to become complacent and disarm, encouraging others to challenge us. Gas prices are encouraging us to become more self-sufficent and efficient.
The bottom line is we're now more likely to continue enjoying our high standard of living with less risk of a future clash with China.
Do you know anyone fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan? Are they are pessimistic as you are?
More so. Every returned veteran I know thinks we shouldn't be there. Most of them were Republicans before they went overseas, and now are planning to vote Democratic until the Republican Party becomes sane. (My take is that the Republican Party hasn't been sane since the 1950s.)
More so. Every returned veteran I know thinks we shouldn't be there. Most of them were Republicans before they went overseas, and now are planning to vote Democratic until the Republican Party becomes sane. (My take is that the Republican Party hasn't been sane since the 1950s.)
That's odd. Of the dozens of veterans and current soldiers that I know, not a single one will support the Democratic Party until they get serious about national defense.
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Very interesting take. The war for oil was not to get more oil, it was to disrupt the flow so we would not be challenged by China. And it was to give the U.S. military a chance to inovate and show off. From where exactly is this new theory coming? This is 180 degrees out of phase with the initial conspiracy theory that Bush did it to avenge his father and get oil for America.
that Miers "will be rejected by the Senate," and "Justice O'Connor will still be sitting on the Court on January 1, 2006." Those are mighty strong assertions, and it will be interesting to see if they come true. Local Republican blogger IlliniPundit is extremely dismayed with Bush's choice, and Kevin Drum over at Political Animal has compiled a list of (count 'em) eleven conservative pundits that are not happy to have Miers be the nominee, and are just stopping short of calling Bush a traitor to the conservative cause.
The theory comes from looking at the situation from the classic geopolitical perspective of how to achieve/maintain world dominance, as well as from the perspective of an energy CEO familiar with peak oil implications to global power.
There had to be little doubt that invading Iraq in the center of the Middle East with three sizeable ethnic groups would either provide us more oil (disrupting contracts with France, Russia, and China) if we got very lucky or rip the country/region/oil supply apart if it didn't work...win/win for US dominance. Saddam's attempted assination on Bush's father, probably just helped motivate his support if there was any doubt. There was also Iraq's shooting of the USS Stark in 1987 that called Reagan's Persian Gulf policy into question.
For the military, it prevented downsizing and potential geopolitical challenges and serves as good training for a new world of decentralized high tech warfare, while conveniently giving terrorists non-civilian targets.
The changes were evident before 9/11, as anti-globalization protests were rising dramatically, threatening the corporate power structure that undergirds government and is going global through the WTO. This movement resembled the populist rebellions of first America, then France, then the 3rd world for independence. The WOT brought a stop to that.
While the anti-globalization movement has died, the emergence of an anti-corporate movement is likely, as their grip on power tightens. The eventual turn will likely come from Republican politicians not wanting to be controlled and reflecting growing popular sentiment, just as it did at the turn of the last century...in a decade or two.
It was a bold move, executed by Bush, and it will probably ensure US dominance for several extra decades, along with our standard of living. His initiative to work with India will also help counterbalance China.
That's odd. Of the dozens of veterans and current soldiers that I know, not a single one will support the Democratic Party until they get serious about national defense.
Interesting. None of the veterans I know who actually read the news and know what politicians' actual positions are would ever vote for Republicans until they repent for the disaster that the Bush administration has made of national defense. If you or anyone thinks that Bush has done anything other than wreck our national defense, materially weaken us both domestically and internationally, and encourage terrorism, I'm afraid you're ignorant. If you think that Iraq is now a stable democracy, the same thing applies. Read Juan Cole. You might learn something.
The Democratic Party is stronger on defense than the Republicans, who care not one bit for national defense if it won't make them a buck.
Michael,
If you don't think there's international competition for global dominance, you're wonderfully naive. While corporations are probably doing too well, the bottom line is we're in a long-term race with China and they've got tremendous potential to call the shots around the world to our material detriment.
While you've been distracted with a minor war, tidal shifts in geopolitics and global economics are setting a new direction with new allies and token enemies. Iraq and Afghanastan represent the ongoing challenge of China, now competing for oil to grow. The alternative is direct war and neither side wants that, especially the corporations. Witness our restraint on crossing into China from N. Korea and Vietnam, as well as Nixon in China.
And don't pretend corporations don't also influence dems, because corporations are non-partisan single issue organizations, which is fine as long as there's some checks and balances on their power. This is not a political issue, it's an economic one that will greatly impact our children's future standard of living.
The other major issue is nuclear weapons because just as Colt was an equalizer for people, so are nuclear weapons for nations. The more equals we have, the more competition for dominance, and the more likely someone will get trigger happy. We had two extremely close calls...Cuba blockade and another in 90's when a space launch was almost mistaken for a nuke launch. Do we trust every nation's leaders to act responsibly with the ultimate weapon under stress? How about unstable nations that might fall under a coup or rebellion?
Do you like driving your car, using your computers, and getting consumer goods cheap, or would you rather live like the majority of people in the world? Is it realistic to expect voters to give up the good life willingly?
Interesting. None of the veterans I know who actually read the news and know what politicians' actual positions are would ever vote for Republicans until they repent for the disaster that the Bush administration has made of national defense.
And yet Bush got, what, 70 percent of the military vote less than a year ago?
If you or anyone thinks that Bush has done anything other than wreck our national defense, materially weaken us both domestically and internationally, and encourage terrorism, I'm afraid you're ignorant.
Now that is a brilliant argument. No facts, just opinions, and if don't agree with them, it must be because I'm ignorant. Color me unimpressed.
If you think that Iraq is now a stable democracy, the same thing applies. Read Juan Cole. You might learn something.
Juan Cole isn't worth the pixels.
The Democratic Party is stronger on defense than the Republicans, who care not one bit for national defense if it won't make them a buck.
Sure thing. And if don't believe this, I must be ignorant, right?