OK, so you know what I am about to say. Well, you have a preconceived idea that I will say one of two things, and you believe that you know all about my point of view, and probably all about me, based on which one of those two directions I go. It's called templating, and if you're like me, you've got your particular Chief template locked in place. It's really, really hard to think clearly using a template, and it's even harder to listen through two: when templates clash, what is said is seldom what is heard.
We all must accept the obligation to show some amount of tolerance, sensitivity, and good faith. Some things should not be tolerated, nor should we avoid vital issues to protect each other's feelings. But each side must prepare to meet with only partial success, or even total failure. Most importantly, each must recognize that the other side is not evil, and each is genuine in its position. Given that framework, it is unlikely that either side will even want total victory.
Speaking of two sided issues, Mom taught me that "there's always an alternative". So let's see what we're all missing by getting caught in the template trap.
One of the sociological purposes of sporting events, especially those on college campuses, is to arrange a ceremonial conflict between one group and another. The football or basketball game stands in loco belli, as a substitute for war, turning some of the aggressive pressure that would otherwise exist between the groups into good-natured rivalry. Hoosiers and Boilermakers. Wolverines and Gophers vie in symbolic conflict for superiority in some contest or another, which translates to the right to claim superiority in a larger sense.
Contests of skill and sport existed in ancient times, though often of a more martial nature. Gladiators, Olympians, and other champions vied to bring glory not only for themselves, but for their group also. The contests were sometimes used as a form of diplomacy, when neither side wanted open war. Native Americans also saw the value in it:
Apart from its recreational function, lacrosse traditionally played a more serious role in Indian culture. Its origins are rooted in legend, and the game continues to be used for curative purposes and surrounded with ceremony. Game equipment and players are still ritually prepared by conjurers, and team selection and victory are often considered supernaturally controlled. In the past, lacrosse also served to vent aggression, and territorial disputes between tribes were sometimes settled with a game, although not always amicably. A Creek versus Choctaw game around 1790 to determine rights over a beaver pond broke out into a violent battle when the Creeks were declared winners. Still, while the majority of the games ended peaceably, much of the ceremonialism surrounding their preparations and the rituals required of the players were identical to those practiced before departing on the warpath.
The right to claim superiority and the notoriety that goes with victory are tacit goals of the athletic contest. For some imperceptive observers, athletic prowess can even spill over to affect academic reputation, positively or negatively. The level of success affects admissions and donations, the raison d'etre for academia and its life blood, respectively. Part of the template for the Pro-Chief side is that the Chief promotes athletic success and alumni loyalty directly, and must be kept for those reasons.
But why the Chief and not some other symbol? The question misses the point completely, because it presupposes incorrectly the purpose of the Chief.
At the time of European contact, the Illiniwek Confederation (or "Confederacy", or "Nation") made the area now known as Illinois their home. Before 1700, they may have numbered between 2000 and 70,000 people, depending on which account is to be believed. After 1800, due to genocidal wars with the Iroquois and other factors, the Illiniwek Confederacy ceased to be a factor, and many of the tribes were completely gone.
Whether the Illiniwek were destroyed by the hand of the Iroquois, through resource scarcity, or otherwise, it is likely that the historical tsunami of European contact was a major factor in their demise. History happens. Both the Pro-Chief and the Anti-Chief carry this in their template, but in different ways. The Pro-Chief seek to honor the fallen, while the Anti-Chief seek to redress the grievance.
The Pro-Chief template appears to include a view that those who oppose the Chief are political opportunists, seeking change for its own sake, for their own egos, and to enforce political correctness. As if in confirmation, the Anti-Chief home page charges that the Chief is a "stereotypical and racist representation of Native people", implying that part of the the Anti-Chief template is that the Pro-Chief side consists of wholly unrepentant bigots. As I said, stereotyping and templating are the rule for both sides in this controversy.
A stereotype is a simplified model of a group of people who share some characteristics, often used to imply that all the members of the group share those and perhaps other characteristics. Stereotyping uses what logicians call the Fallacy of Division, in which the properties of the whole are imputed to the parts. Stereotypes are almost always in error; the question is to what degree the type does not fit, and by not fitting, insults.
In the case of the Chief we have an explicit stereotype, chosen ostensibly to glorify the ancient Illiniwek peoples. The Chief is cloistered, kept away from anything that would sully his value as an icon. The character is portrayed only at certain specific times, and to use the Chief as a cheerleader or spokesman would detract from his image. The intent is to remind those present of the honor due the great people whose name the State and University bear. The effect of the Chief portrayal is to engender in the Illinois faithful what can best be termed awe.
Through the Chief, the Illini athletic teams are connected symbolically with the Illiniwek warriors of old, and Illini fans with the rest of the ancient Illiniwek. The Chief's portrayal was intended by its creators to honor the memory of the departed Illiniwek people.
The Chief is a gift.
But some who speak for the ancient Illiniwek, with DNA inherited from them or not, reject the gift as an insult. They charge that through the images invoked by his dance, dress, and name, the Chief casts all Native Americans as performing dances similar to his. Since his dance is superficially similar to one found in a religious ritual, they charge an implication that all such dances are similar to the Chief's, making his dance a hostile caricature. That is, they infer an intended insult. In any case, part of the offense seems to be that a white man portrays the Chief. They say by all of this that the Chief and his dance are racial and religious slurs.
The template for Chief opponents thus does not allow them to accept with grace the gift that is offered to the memory of the ancient Illiniwek. Conversely, the template for Chief supporters does not allow them see that anyone could reject such a gift. Supporters cannot understand who would deny the ancient Illiniwek the gift of being held in awed reverence, and opponents cannot understand who would pretend respect for the chance to do harm.
But the gift is not offered to those who are now rejecting it; the gift is offered to the memory of those who have made the long voyage across the river. Some slights, even insults, we simply shake off; others, we cannot. The easiest slights to shake off are the unintentional ones, especially those not even ours. Only time will tell which is stronger: the reverence with which the Chief is held, or the disdain for that reverence among those who purport to represent interests of those he symbolizes.
And only the good faith of both sides will make it possible to find an alternative to the templates now seared in place. The Pro-Chief side may have to humbly reach out to those who claim injury, noting that the gift as it has been given up to now may not have been fully appreciated by the ancient Illiniwek. And the Anti-Chief side may have to swallow its collective pride and, knowing that it is not perfect, accept the gift.







You've done something that I no longer believed possible: presented a calm, rational perspective on a highly charged, irrational issue. Thank you.
I've never commented on the Chief here at IP because it seemed useless to do so. The zealots on both sides are so mired in their respective ruts that challenging any single perspective inevitably produces waves of sturm und drang absent the cleansing rain that should always follow.
My natural tendency is to point out the faults on both sides, but I also tend to avoid attracting the lightning strikes when there seems no hope of successful persuasion. (When there's no chance whatsoever for the gain, I usually skip the pain.) I also tend to avoid disputes based entirely on personal opinion. I've always felt much more secure on the high ground of solid facts, which is something that the Chief debate has usually lacked.
What fascinates me the most about your comments is your insight into the symbolic nature of the dynamics at play. The Chief is, first and foremost, a symbol, and must be considered solely in those terms to be fully understood. His opponents have got to come to terms with the genuinely sincere meaning of this symbol to his supporters, while those supporters must also realize that it is entirely possible for even the most noble of intentions to produce an unintended result.
Loren...we appreciate your opinions and how well they were presented. I'm promoting this to the front page for further discussion.
Loren writes well, and his statements are persuasive, if he is trying to persuade those who look at the world through european eyes. However, if looking at the world through other eyes, a way that those who look at the world through european eyes cannot even comprehend, it loses its persuasiveness.
I appreciate the thought and insight from your position, but I think this is where you make a "subtle shift that dooms any opportunity for reconcilation:
"As if in confirmation, the Anti-Chief home page charges that the Chief is a "stereotypical and racist representation of Native people", implying that part of the the Anti-Chief template is that the Pro-Chief side consists of wholly unrepentant bigots. As I said, stereotyping and templating are the rule for both sides in this controversy."
"A stereotypical and racist representation of Native people" is only implying what you are say it does if you believe in the worthless, non-functional and obsolete definition of "racist" which lies in Webster's.
But can't the following be true:
1. It's racist. It's stereotypical.
2. The intentions are positive.
3. The positive intentions mean little and the lack of interest in empathy from those slaping you with the positive intentions comes across as "wholly unrepentant bigotry"?
That's what I feel.
I've never treated a single pro-Chief person hatefully, and I realize that some have returned the favor. I appreciate that.
But when I get the abrasive anti-PC crowd that wants the Chief simply because some "whiny PC" colored people want to abolish it and have no interest for listening to the actual experiences of the folks who decry the symbol/mascot/racist stereotype, I think for the very health of our society, it's absolutely vital to identify that as racist bigotry.
That truthful identification is not hateful in the slightest, it's the road to recovery.
The "template" for lovers of the "Chinks" and the "Chiefs" and the "Chief Wahoos" is deep in the history of this country. It is to hang people with the wrong skin color who speak too loudly from the nearest tree. Ask Vincent Chin's mom what kind of country that type of America--the one I wish to irradicate is.
This is exactly why it is important to empathetically and non-stereotypically regard all perspectives in this debate. We must not simply take either's voice or perspective for granted and certainly not be bound by the historical barriers of the debate.
Thanks for the well-written post. I used to have no problem with the Chief, but changed my mind when I heard that Native Americans were offended.
"A stereotypical and racist representation of Native people" is only implying what you are say it does if you believe in the worthless, non-functional and obsolete definition of "racist" which lies in Webster's.
Since the Anti-Chief position is that the Chief is a thing of racism, and the Pro-Chief side is aware of this and continues, that means that the Anti-Chief position is that the Pro-Chief side are all bigots who have not repented, ie, wholly unrepentant bigots. You seem to say that it's racism whether you mean it or not, so I don't see how you can disagree with my assessment of that part of the Anti-Chief template.
I found it very difficult to follow your points 1, 2, and 3. I won't respond to them, but if you'd like to restate them I'll give it a try.
As for your statement that you've never treated a single Pro-Chief person hatefully, I suggest that you may simply not be aware of it. In fact, in your comment you appear to have identified those who love the Chief with racist lynch mobs. That kind of hyperbole is extremely hateful.
You hapless status quo defenders just don't get it.
The. NCAA. Has, Ruled.
It's over. The Chief will be gone soon.
Move on now; there's nothing to see here, other than the same tired arguments that have been presented for 17 years. They have failed.
It is over now.
And you completely misread my post. The intent was not to say that the Chief must stay or go, though I do think the world is a more interesting place with Chiefs in it than the colorless, odorless world we will soon inhabit..
The point was that each side has a face-saving way to accept the other's viewpoint.
You seem to say that it's racism whether you mean it or not, so I don't see how you can disagree with my assessment of that part of the Anti-Chief template.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. It's worth reading some basic race/privilege theory with a critical yet utterly open-mind if that seems bizarre. I'll try to put it succinctly here:
The bulk of identity-based inequity (something I assume we are all against) is socially conditioned rather than a product of direct hate or malice. Anotherwards, the people who killed the Native Americans, or headed or participated in lynch mobs or support Jim Crow laws, or rounded up Americans of the "wrong" race and put them in concentration facilities were "normal" people--like you or I .
Nevertheless, such atrocities or worse are preventable with education and intentionality to empathy.
So the question I have for you is that if most race or other identity-based hurt is non-intentional, and "racism" is defined as "intentional", then what is the point of the definition? Are we only interested in defining and preventing intention race-based societal damage?
That's why we've created new definitions like "institutional racism" or the redefinitions that many roll their eyes at.
Personally, I don't give a care about "intentionality" in evaluating race-based inequalities in our society. I care about it in terms of what the intervention ought to be. Anotherwards, the road to recovery is going to be different depending on whether there is intentional malice or not.
But this is where most people's reactions to issues of race are so bizarre--whatever the intentionality, in society, we are supposed to care if people are being hurt. We don't debate whether fire means to burn one's hand before we extinguish it. Why is intent so necessary before we investigate racial issues in our society?
This is not a minority/white issue. It never has been. There are plenty of people who take a scientific, empathetic approach to race in any ethnicity. Sadly, there are many more who don't in every ethnicity. That's what I hope and fight to change.
As for your statement that you've never treated a single Pro-Chief person hatefully, I suggest that you may simply not be aware of it. In fact, in your comment you appear to have identified those who love the Chief with racist lynch mobs. That kind of hyperbole is extremely hateful.
Whatever. This type of "turning-the-tables" with a poor analogy doesn't fly in high school debate and it shouldn't here. I was merely pointing out the problems with your "template" and the history of institutional racist movements in our society. Does the acorn fall far from the tree? Sure. Sometimes it does.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
OK, then do you agree that part of the Anti-Chief template is that the Pro-Chief people are unrepentant bigots?
Are we only interested in defining and preventing intention race-based societal damage?
I understand institutional racism, inherent prejudice, and all the other redefinitions. But I don't think we're wise enough to engineer our own society, and I wouldn't want to live in such an experiment even if we were. And yet, what you are proposing is a giant application of the scientific method to human society. I would rather see society evolve on its own, rather than risk the horrors that come when people try to make their own corrections. Ever hear of eugenics?
(By the way: the expression is "in other words".)
The point of my post was that the Pro-Chief people are supposed to care that what they see as good, and fine, and uplifting seems to hurt the people who are closest to it. But the Anti-Chief people are also supposed to see that that their hyperbole is hateful. It's not turning the tables; it was the thesis of my post.
Do you see any difference between the Chief's ceremonial dance with its use of Native ritual forms for an equivalent purpose in the dominant culture as compared to a lynching?
OK, then do you agree that part of the Anti-Chief template is that the Pro-Chief people are unrepentant bigots?
Not all of them. But in general, sure, but not under your worthless definition of the term. It doesn't do you any good to point out that I agree with my own position in order to show that I must agree with yours.
Do you see any difference between the Chief's ceremonial dance with its use of Native ritual forms for an equivalent purpose in the dominant culture as compared to a lynching?
Yes. Do you see a point in insulting someone's intelligence with no legitimate point in a discussion?
Dry skin and frostbite can both have the same root causes. Does pointing that out mean that the speaker things the two are the exact same thing?
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I understand institutional racism, inherent prejudice, and all the other redefinitions. But I don't think we're wise enough to engineer our own society, and I wouldn't want to live in such an experiment even if we were. And yet, what you are proposing is a giant application of the scientific method to human society. I would rather see society evolve on its own, rather than risk the horrors that come when people try to make their own corrections. Ever hear of eugenics?
Have you ever heard of of "stomping kittens"? It has more to do with your position than eugenics has to do with mine. You are basically equating any study of social dynamics with eugenics. Are you that scared of scientific study?
What I am describing is what ultimately discredited eugenics, which was very strong in the U.S. as well, right? To rail against scientific understanding of the social concepts that lend meaning to race is to allow eugenics to continue.
I find it interesting that you choose to just throw up your hands and say, "Humans are too dumb to address the injustices that revolve around race, let's just forget the whole thing!"
How many other fields are you willing to take this approach? What's your plan for this week? Go after Galileo?
(By the way: the expression is "in other words".)
And clearly you are familiar with it, so I believe communication was achieved ;)
but we may get somewhere eventually.
[OK, then do you agree that part of the Anti-Chief template ]...Not all of them. But in general, sure...
Fine, that's all I was after.
but not under your worthless definition of the term.
Which you didn't ask me to give, but rather you assumed you knew. I use 'bigot' to mean one who believes his own views are the only worthwhile ones. In a small sense, we're all bigoted, but a bigot resists other viewpoints because they are not his. I don't think that applies to either of us, by the way.
It doesn't do you any good to point out that I agree with my own position in order to show that I must agree with yours.
Quite right. I was only trying to be logical. It's what I do. In this case, I was showing that we basically agreed; why you were resisting that, I do not know.
[Do you see any difference between the Chief's ceremonial dance with its use of Native ritual forms for an equivalent purpose in the dominant culture as compared to a lynching?]
Yes.
Thank you. It wasn't clear.
Do you see a point in insulting someone's intelligence with no legitimate point in a discussion?
As I said, it wasn't clear from your earlier statements. I have no intention of insulting you, but as we've agreed, intent matters little. If I step on your toe, your pain is as bad if I meant it or not.
Dry skin and frostbite can both have the same root causes. Does pointing that out mean that the speaker things the two are the exact same thing?
Only if the speaker says they are:
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The bulk of identity-based inequity (something I assume we are all against) is socially conditioned rather than a product of direct hate or malice. Anotherwards, the people who killed the Native Americans, or headed or participated in lynch mobs or support Jim Crow laws, or rounded up Americans of the "wrong" race and put them in concentration facilities were "normal" people--like you or I .
[Ever hear of "eugenics"?] Have you ever heard of of "stomping kittens"? It has more to do with your position than eugenics has to do with mine. You are basically equating any study of social dynamics with eugenics. Are you that scared of scientific study?
I apologize for the casual "eugenics" reference. And no, I am not "scared" of scientific study, But as I understand it, you are talking about making decisions to fix society based on emotional reactions to past excesses.
What I am describing is what ultimately discredited eugenics, which was very strong in the U.S. as well, right? To rail against scientific understanding of the social concepts that lend meaning to race is to allow eugenics to continue.
What? That makes no sense at all.
What "ultimately discredited eugenics" is that the people who championed it turned out to have evil intent. It (the study and control of race as a way to improve humankind) was very popular with both (evil) KKK types and with the (not as evil) liberal intellectual elite in the U.S and Europe. It fell out of favor when the reality of (evil) Japanese and (evil) German racism was fully demonstrated in WWII. People distanced themselves from it in the same way that people who supported the Iraq war after 9/11 now pretend they never did.
I did not rail. But even if I had railed "against scientific understanding of the social concepts that lend meaning to race", that would not be allowing "eugenics to continue". Unless you are using eugenics as some kind of metaphor?
I find it interesting that you choose to just throw up your hands and say, "Humans are too dumb to address the injustices that revolve around race, let's just forget the whole thing!"...How many other fields are you willing to take this approach? What's your plan for this week? Go after Galileo?
Who started these straw-man caricatures?
What I argued against was treating human society as a laboratory experiment. That is different from studying humanity, or even human society, or bringing notice of injustice, or attempting to educate people. It is compelling people to behave in ways that are "for their own good" (until we know better), a situation I reject as leading toward ever more authoritarianism.
But this is getting pretty far away from Chief Illniwek.
Nope. It was filled with the same empty arguments that might have been called timely 15 years ago but now are simply sad.
The time for accepting the other side's viewpoint was long, long ago. The hapless status quo defenders chose to dig in and resist until the NCAA stepped in.
It's too late for "compromise." The pro-Chiefers need to accept defeat now.
No need to try your William Jennings Bryan imitation now. It's over.
I liked the original post.
Wenalway is a sore winner. Representatives of Native Americans released a statement applauding the retiring of the Chief but cautioning that there was much more discussion to be had. This is far from over, and anti-Chief activists who are cheering this as a victory are missing the point of the whole argument.
This is the primary problem that I have with most anti-Chief activists. They are fighting the removal of a symbol, and this so-called victory is in the end just another symbol.
The whole point is that these symbols are rarely consistent or accurate in representation and meaning. The original post has posted what I believe to be the most genuine and noble of descriptions of what the Chief means to the pro-Chief side, and I was nearly won over by the description. The problem is that I have never heard the symbolism of the Chief described as such. Perhaps, deep down, that is what people mean, but that's not what comes across at all. Here's a compilation of what the Chief means to its supporters from an unscientific internet grab:
"...the Chief has been the symbol of the spirit of a great university and of our intercollegiate athletic teams, and as such is loved by the people of Illinois."
"To me the chief is spirit,'' said Paul Bruns, a retiree who worked for the university for 38 years. "Why did (American Indians) dance? They danced for spirit.''
And part of your post, describing part of the pro-Chief template: "Part of the template for the Pro-Chief side is that the Chief promotes athletic success and alumni loyalty directly, and must be kept for those reasons."
All of these explanations are fine and good, but is the Chief the best symbol for the job? Even the primary argument of the Chief honoring those who are long gone; is this the best gift to present? A dance invented by a guy of European descent containing elements learned not from any American Indians but from Boy Scouts? Using regalia from indigenous groups intended for dignified display in a museum or historical context but instead used for dignified display on someone's head at athletic events?
I argue that it's not. Perhaps that brings up the question of "returning a gift" or perhaps the recipient telling the giver what should be given. A registry of sorts, perhaps? I don't know.
A side note: both you and columnist Robert Novak have made allusions to the extermination of the Illiniwek (hence, the recipient no longer being around to receive the gift). Aside from these mentions, all other information that I have found regarding the six groups that made up the Illinois states that descendants are alive today under the federally recognized Peoria Tribe name. Yes, there are no more Illini in the *region* but that's true of all most all of the previous inhabitants across this continent. Florida State got lucky that Seminoles were still actually in Florida. You have to go to Oklahoma to find the home base of the Peorias.
In any case, the fact that this perhaps is not the best gift to choose has led into what I deem a symbolic fight to get rid of the Chief. In essence, I see this as replacing one imperfect symbol with another imperfect symbol.
So before I turn into just another person complaining about the debate, why can't we model the solution after the imperfect but better and more successful Florida State situation? Just because Peorias are now in Oklahoma doesn't mean they can't have ties to the original homeland.
Whatever the solution, my original point is to say that the work is far from done, and I really hope anti-Chief activists don't just pack away their signs. I would like to see how many of them turn their attention to actually memorializing the Illinois that once was and involving the Peoria that is now.