Congratulations Barry?

Posted August 7th, 2007 at 11:47 PM by John Farney

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AnF's picture
On August 8th, 2007 at 09:42 AM, AnF said:

Niiice.....

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On August 8th, 2007 at 10:00 AM, Oil Man said:

Bonds, along with all the other performance enhancement users in professional and non-professional who play these games have turned what use to be "sporting events" into drug orchastrated ability "exhibitions".  Sponsors are hoping the general public will continue to patronize these exhibitions, like professional wrestling.  I may be in the minority but I perfer to spend my time and money on true sporting events, not setup exhibitions,

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On August 8th, 2007 at 10:07 AM, IlliniPundit said:

I used to be the most rabid San Francisco Giants fan. The TV/radio subscription package, watching 50+ games per year, traveling to see the team, etc.

But now, because of a host of reasons including Bonds, I'm just not interested in baseball at all any more.  I haven't even checked the standings all year.  I just don't care.

On August 8th, 2007 at 10:50 AM, Mike (not verified) said:

Bonds has 756 homers; he's the new king. Period.

On August 8th, 2007 at 10:51 AM, Josh (not verified) said:

Bonds is guilty, I think any reasonable person can look at the changes in his body and tell something happened that is not normal.

Now, that being said, he also is receiving more of the abuse then any other player in MLB. What about Roger Clemens, why is he not being scrutinized to the same extent that Bonds is? Does anyone really believe that a 44 year old pitcher can still through 96 MPH after 20+ years in the league? Come on.

On August 8th, 2007 at 10:53 AM, Gregg said:

“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” Ernest Hemingway.

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On August 8th, 2007 at 11:05 AM, IlliniPundit said:

"Bonds has 756 homers; he's the new king. Period."
Yep.

That said, for this Giants fan, my interest in baseball has diminished to the point where I just now watched a replay of the HR on ESPN.com.  To me, and this has a little to do with Bonds, but not much, baseball just isn't all that interesting any more.  It has as more to do with Bud Selig's incompetence and the rank stupidity of the Giants' management, but baseball used to be an obsession for me, and now it doesn't even qualify as an interest.

On August 8th, 2007 at 11:31 AM, Anonymous (not verified) said:

That said, for this Giants (politics) fan, my interest in baseball (politics) has diminished to the point where I just now watched a replay of the HR on ESPN.com. (Republican debate) To me, and this has a little to do with Bonds , but not much, (a lot to do with George Bush) baseball (politics) just isn't all that interesting any more. It has as more to do with Bud Selig's (George Bush's) incompetence and the rank stupidity of the Giants' ( Bush administration's) management, but baseball (politics) used to be an obsession for me, and now it doesn't even qualify as an interest.

On August 8th, 2007 at 11:43 AM, Gregg said:

To Anon 11:31, Let's try to keep this about Barry Bonds.  Do your political rants in your own thread, oh!! I forgot you are not registered. Typical "hit and run" poster.

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On August 8th, 2007 at 12:05 PM, IlliniPundit said:

"That said, for this Giants (politics) fan, my interest in baseball (politics) has diminished to the point where I just now watched a replay of the HR on ESPN.com. (Republican debate) To me, and this has a little to do with Bonds , but not much, (a lot to do with George Bush) baseball (politics) just isn't all that interesting any more. It has as more to do with Bud Selig's (George Bush's) incompetence and the rank stupidity of the Giants' ( Bush administration's) management, but baseball (politics) used to be an obsession for me, and now it doesn't even qualify as an interest."

President Bush seems to me to be motivating more people than ever to care about politics, if only to oppose his policies.

"To Anon 11:31, Let's try to keep this about Barry Bonds.  Do your political rants in your own thread, oh!! I forgot you are not registered. Typical "hit and run" poster."
Gregg, I really don't appreciate anyone telling anyone else what is an acceptable and unacceptable comment. Disagree with it, but don't tell them it's unacceptable to comment, whether it's on-topic or off-topic.

And I really don't appreciate your attacking anonymous commenters.  I welcome and value their contributions to this site, and I don't want anyone implying they're not welcome here.

On August 8th, 2007 at 12:21 PM, Gregg said:

Ok IP, I will try to control myself. But I get sick of people attacking Bush for every thing that happens. When will people realize Bush will not be the President after the next election. All  the Democratics can do is criticize, they offer no real solution of any of the things they constantly complain about.

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On August 8th, 2007 at 12:58 PM, cheesy poofs said:

"Now, that being said, he also is receiving more of the abuse then any other player in MLB. What about Roger Clemens, why is he not being scrutinized to the same extent that Bonds is? Does anyone really believe that a 44 year old pitcher can still through 96 MPH after 20+ years in the league? Come on."

Google Roger Clemens and you will see plenty of speculation and finger pointing.  Now let's review some facts.  Barry Bonds admitted to a grand jury that he used substances which were later proven to be THG and a testosterone based ointment.  Barry Bonds failed a 2006 test for Amphetamines and blamed it on his teammate Mark Sweeney.  These are undeniable facts, not just rampant speculation and accusation.  Roger Clemens has never failed a single test or admitted to using any banned or illegal substances.  A better comparison would be to Jason Giambi who has admitted to steroid use and has gotten nowhere near the villifaction that Bonds has gotten. 

 

On August 8th, 2007 at 01:03 PM, Anonymous 11;31 (not verified) said:

Hey Gregg, lighten up! I don't really care about Bonds, but I did like his father.

Just like GW. Ha ha ha.

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On August 8th, 2007 at 01:21 PM, IlliniPundit said:

:-)

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On August 8th, 2007 at 02:04 PM, Politicalchemy said:

"Does anyone really believe that a 44 year old pitcher can still through 96 MPH after 20+ years in the league?  Come on."

I don't know if the Rocket has been clocked as high as 96 in his latest stint, but Nolan Ryan, age 60, recently threw out the first pitch at a game in Japan.  It was clocked at 85 mph.

On August 8th, 2007 at 02:39 PM, Anonymous (not verified) said:

Hitters rely on strength, pitchers rely on technique. Of course, technique is needed for hitters and strength is needed for pitchers, but still ... Years ago, when I was in my 20s and a construction worker, I was at the Illinois State Fair. I was at a pitching game. Trying to impress my girlfriend, I rared back and fired 3 consecutive 55 mph fastballs.I had the strength but not the technique. On the other hand, who hasn't jacked a softball over the fence in a league game around here? Piece of cake. I know that in my prime I couldn't even stand in there if Nolan Ryan, at 60 yoa, was firing at me. Clemens, either. IMO, Clemens isn't on steroids.

On August 8th, 2007 at 04:25 PM, Anonymous (not verified) said:

I agree that there is more evidence for Bonds using than Clemens, and less than Giambi, Sheffield, Neifi and many others.

That being said, the fact that people seem to focus on hitters more than pitchers and say categorically that Clemens didn't use is foolish. If anything, pitchers have a lot more to gain than hitters from steroid use. Extra bat speed that leads to a little further on each potential HR is important, but nothing compared to a few extra MPH on fastballs and hard breaking stuff.

As to the game being boring, this is easily the best the game has been in its history. The steroid cloud sucks, but most of the old school MLB players would never have made the current rosters, even accounting for expansion. Baseball now recruits from all over the world, and we are closer than we've ever been to seeing the best players in the world on the field.