Open Thread (7/9/2008)

Wednesday, July 9, 2008.

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redstatewannabe's picture

I came across this interesting article on my favorite website news.com.  I think its worth some discussion, here is the link.

 

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9985905-54.html?tag=nefd.top

If you like that check out this website by T. Boone Pickens

http://www.pickensplan.com/

 

 

Go Whitesox!!!

redstatewannabe's picture

radio reports that the accident on west-bound I-74 this morning was caused by a driver using the turn-around to head back east.

I witnessed the same move last night when I was heading home.  The driver gets in the left lane, throws on the blinker, and procedes to slow way down to make the turn.  The driving situation is complicated by the cars entering 74 from 57 south, so other cars are moving to the left lane to make room.

be cautious if you drive thru there this week

Looks like Fabri is doing a great job as auditor:

As happened last year, we did not receive several footnotes to the financial statements, or the Management's Discussion and Analysis until the date of this letter (June 27, 2008) from Tony Fabri, the elected County Auditor.  I want to make it clear that no one else beside the elected Auditor is responsible for providing this information to us. The footnotes are considered to be an integral part of the financial statements.  We cannot finalize our review of the financial statements until we receive all of the footnotes.  Also, it forces us to date our opinions as of that late date, perhaps making our firm look bad.  In addition, it puts extreme stress on both us and the Chief Deputy Auditor, who cannot accurately page-number the over 300 page document, print it, and get it bound until we have everything we need in order to provide audit opinions, all of which, under a 30-day extension granted by GFOA, is due June 30, just 3 days after he finally provided the documents.  In our estimation, this simply is not fair to our firm, is not fair to the Chief Deputy Auditor, who puts in an enormous effort trying to get the document published on time, and is not acting responsibly to the County Board.  We ask the County Board to officially name someone other than the elected Auditor to be responsible for these documents being prepared and provided to us and the Chief Deputy Auditor on a more timely basis, so that the report can be issued by May 31, its official date.

redstatewannabe's picture

thanks for that link, anon

check out more of the report from the auditing firm (page 15 of the pdf), which notes about the nursing home that AP items are not recorded in the correct accounting period and that cash receipts are being recognized earlier than is normal for all other county departments.  Both actions make the situation at the nursing home look better than it actually is.

I again say that the source of such accounting practices needs to be discovered.  There may be an innocent explanation, and there may not.

That's nice moderate my comments and let the liberals attack every conservative on the board and undermine every conservative statement without response. Don't bother moderating this, this site is a waste of time because every time a decent thread starts that a conservative may  seem to be ahead one of the liberals gets on and starts a fight to end the thread. Bye 

IlliniPundit's picture

"That's nice moderate my comments and let the liberals attack every conservative on the board and undermine every conservative statement without response. Don't bother moderating this, this site is a waste of time because every time a decent thread starts that a conservative may  seem to be ahead one of the liberals gets on and starts a fight to end the thread. Bye "

Oh, relax. 

For some reason, a bunch of registered users' comments have been held for moderation today, including some from xian and D.Boon.  I have no idea why, but I'm trying to figure it out.

Run,

now you know how I've felt for the past few months. 

IP, btw, thanks for taking the moderation off tonight.  It's a welcome relief.  Now I feel like I can once again join the conversation.  Just a thought, but in the future if you turn the moderation back on, put the moderated comments at the bottom of the thread when you get around to publishing them.  I've been commenting, but it takes a day or two to publish them (at least it seems that way) and by the time it is published, the comment is buried twenty deep and essentially overlooked.  Just food for thought...

IlliniPundit's picture

"IP, btw, thanks for taking the moderation off tonight."

Shhh.   I'm hoping the trolls don't notice.  :-)

You are just censoring my comments because I am a good conservative. Why must you be a cryptofacist liberal, Gordy?

I just wanted to thank Senator Obama for voting for the FISA bill and keeping America safe. Obama even went further then I thought he would and gave immunity to those big Telecom’s so they would not face big lawsuits. I was really surprised since I thought only a few months ago he had said he was dead set against the FISA bill. Of course a few months ago he was running against Hillary. I wonder what he will do once he is in office and doesn’t have to worry about other candidates and the voters, maybe he doesn’t know either. 

"We ask the County Board to officially name someone other than the elected Auditor to be responsible for these documents being prepared and provided to us and the Chief Deputy Auditor on a more timely basis, so that the report can be issued by May 31, its official date."

Does Mr. Fabri not know how to prepare these documents or is he just plain lazy?  Either way a month late is inexcusable.  And two years in a row?  Why did he seek the appointment to this position if he didn't have the ability/didn't want to do the work?  Guess we should have appointed Kevin when we had the chance.

Isn't this supposed to be a local political blog?  The lead story on last night's Channel 3 news is that our elected auditor is not doing his job, and there's no discussion about it here?  Arvid, Pattsi, Narc, Wayward, Curious, you guys post on every other thread, where are you on this topic?

IlliniPundit's picture

"Isn't this supposed to be a local political blog?  The lead story on last night's Channel 3 news is that our elected auditor is not doing his job, and there's no discussion about it here?"

Go register, and post a blog entry about it.

Frankly, our County Auditor hasn't done his job since the day he was appointed, so I'm surprised that it's news now.

Wait a minute.  Isn't this Fabri the same guy I saw a few weeks ago handing out balloons at Taste?  Why was he out campaigning when he still had not completed the work he should have finished a month earlier?  That wouldn't fly at my office.

Guess we should have appointed Kevin when we had the chance.

Kevin who?

RSWB:

Wow, whoever wrote the subheadline for the NRO took their stereotyping pills this morning, "Natural Abilities" help us Asians? That's news to me.

Kevin who? Sandefur. Frequent poster here.

redstatewannabe's picture

RSWB:

Wow, whoever wrote the subheadline for the NRO took their stereotyping pills this morning, "Natural Abilities" help us Asians?

Xian, I think you are being a bit oversensative.  Think individual Asian, not Asians as a group, and it reads much better.

From the article:

"These Asian students, some of whom only arrived in this country within the past ten years, combine natural ability with prodigious work habits."

This is straight up model minority BS. Where in the article is there a single example of "natural ability" that the author and headline writer refer to?

redstatewannabe's picture

So you are upset that the NRO is contending that some Asian students have above-average IQ's?  These are kids trying to get into Ivy League schools or elite private high schools.  She ends the article with:

How dare we complain about the accomplishments of highly successful people? How dare we put limits on their success? It is one of the deepest shames of this country that we judge people by anything other than merit.

Would you feel better if they didn't mention natural ability, and instead only referenced hard work?

Regnad Kcin's picture

Natural ability is important and it is the basis upon which horses and cattle and dogs are selected.  If you havent noticed that horses and cattle and dogs have inheritable personality traits and inheritable ability then you are simply inexperienced.   The whole field of statistics was founded upon the concepts of Eugenics, which Eugenics is a topic definitely out of vogue and politically incorrect.  Man is flesh.  Genetics determines the starting point and also determines the outcome to some extent.  Of course the outcome is not 100% determined by genetics.  Neither will any amount of training will ever turn an Appaloosa into a Thoroughbred or a Lipizzaner.  One can ignore the effect of genetics all day long if it doesnt suit your preconceived notions as an educator, but your opinions do not modify reality.  We are a product of both our genetics and our environment.  Ignore genetic-based natural ability all you want, but ignoring accumulated is ignorance indeed.  You cant make a silk purse from a sow's ear nor an oak desk from a pine log.

EDUCATE.  1447, from L. educatus, pp. of educare "bring up, rear, educate," which is related to educere "bring out," from ex- "out" + ducere "to lead" . Meaning "provide schooling" is first attested 1588 in Shakespeare. 

Note that Educate means to "bring out" or "draw out".  Obviously one can not draw out something that is not there to begin with.  It is as foolish to say 100% nature or 100% nurture as it is to say 100% yin or yang.  Obviously both are at play in the dynamic.

So you are upset that the NRO is contending that some Asian students have above-average IQ's?  These are kids trying to get into Ivy League schools or elite private high schools.  She ends the article with:

They are not contending that "some Asian students have above-average IQ's"--that's obvious--some of any group have above average IQs. I am upset with a direct application of the archaic "model minority myth".

Would you feel better if they didn't mention natural ability, and instead only referenced hard work?

Well, if they were drawing conclusions that we directly from the data instead of just stereotyping toward conclusions, then that would be better. But it's the eugenics crap like the previous post that bothers me.

Notice she even goes so far to invoke the "outsider" stereotype of Asian Americans. While it is a population that has almost doubled in the last generation, it gets frustrating for those of us whose families have been in the U.S. for six generations.

Regnad Kcin's picture

Xian, there is a hardly any demographic group that has practiced eugenics as intensely as the Taiwan ABC's.

Why does eugenics bother you and what makes you think it is crap? 

The Asian do work hard, and they do have more natural ability than the average of the population in the US and there is genetic selection because mostly it is the brightest and most ambition percentiles that leave their Asian homelands.

IlliniPundit's picture

"Why does eugenics bother you and what makes you think it is crap? 

The Asian do work hard, and they do have more natural ability than the average of the population in the US and there is genetic selection because mostly it is the brightest and most ambition percentiles that leave their Asian homelands."

Well, this should be entertaining.

Sorry Gordy. I'm going to turn the other cheek on this one. Considering nearly every able-bodied male from our ancestral  town in China ended up migrating to the U.S., it's just wrong even if you buy his eugenic theories, which I do not.

IlliniPundit's picture

"Sorry Gordy. I'm going to turn the other cheek on this one."

No worries.  You certainly don't have to engage such nonsense simply for my entertainment.

redstatewannabe's picture

Well, if they were drawing conclusions that we directly from the data instead of just stereotyping toward conclusions, then that would be better.

If a student has high test scores/good grades, it came from either hard work or above-average ability (or he cheated).

This was a piece written by someone who thinks Asian kids are getting shafted - she is in favor of people being judged on their merits, not their skin tone or the national origin of their ancestors. Instead of being offended by a headline, I had hoped you might celebrate the thesis of the article.  Guess not.

No, it's not. It's an article by someone who could give a rat's ass about the vast majority of discrimination toward Asian Americans and decided to take up the mantle on a single issue because it's useful for pushing her own polemics. In doing so, she chooses to trot out a long ago refuted racist stereotype and give it another go. She can't even stay in character in her vile piece, instead dropping into eugenics while she is trying to appear color blind.

That's not something I celebrate, and only someone who has never spent anytime studying Asian American history or politics would.

And if people really believed in judging people on their merits, perhaps they would consider weighing the experiences and histories of people equally regardless of their ethnicity. It's hard to judge merit when you have no understanding of the context of your subject's performance.

redstatewannabe's picture

You can go thru life assuming people have good intentions, or assuming the worst of people. 

I'll take naive over cynical every time.

Ha, I'm accused of being a cynic--there's a first for everything. Pure ignorance on a topic is not the same as naivete.

If you are actually interested in learning and not doing a hit-and-run on my identity, consider this link. It's to a relatively moderate Asian American site's discussion of the model minority myth. They are actually more conservative than many of the outspoken members of the community, but a very credible source.

Regnad Kcin's picture

I read the article. It states that Asians are more likely to get college degrees than other groups but goes on to say that some Asians are different from others.  This actually provides some evidence of a genetic basis, since there are many different lines and well over one hundred different distinct ethnic groups in Asia, almost 60 of which are in China.  Certainly not Asians are Han Chinese or Korean.