On July 21st, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Anonymous (not verified) said:
I saw a story on Channel 3 recently about 88 West, the new piano bar in Lincoln Square Mall wanting to ban Homeless Bill from the shopping mall because he's bad for business. There was some odd idea presented to buy a hotel room for Bill in Jumers. Anyone else hear about this?
There's a flyer in support of Bill that says "88 West is bad for Urbana" going around to protest the mall owners from taking action against Bill. I saw them placed on 88 West's tables. Other business owners in the mall want Bill out too. I thought Urbana was supposed to be all fashionably progressive and stuff. It looks like some in Urbana are waking up to the reality of business.
On July 21st, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Ezra (not verified) said:
So, now we have the Iraq prime minister saying over the weekend in an interview with Der Spiegel that the Obama plan for a withdrawal of the majority of U.S. troops within 16 months is doable, with some adjustments; then we have a sort of retraction by the Iraqi government issued through the U.S. military command, CENTCOM (a strange way for a sovereign government to communicate, don't you think?) saying the prime minister's remarks were misinterpreted but not saying how they were misinterpreted, and now, this morning, we have another statement by the Iraqi government saying there should be a deadline for U.S. troops withdrawal of 2010, which is roughly what the prime minister said yesterday. I see the National Review on-line dismisses the prime minister's statements as coming from someone whose political party is aligned with Iran. But, of course, the U.S. has been using Iran supporters since before we invaded Iraq, from Chalabi on down; remember Saddam Hussein and Iran were bitter enemies, and the first thing Paul Bremer did when he took over was bar all the Hussein supporters, the Baathist party members, from participating in the Iraqi government, so it is no big surprise, in fact it is inevitable that the people now in power in Iraq are friends with Iran. Of course, McCain is saying the only thing he can say, i.e. if it weren't for the success of the surge, we couldn't be talking about deadlines now; of course, if we had stopped to consider the consequences before we invaded Iraq in the first place, we wouldn't be have needed a surge and we wouldn't be needing to find a way out.
But don't the events of the last 48 hours kind of take the wind out of the Republican talking points that Obama is hopelessly naive on foreign affairs? It looks to me, of course I'm an Obama supporter, that Obama's better judgment has been confirmed twice -- the wisdom of invading Iraq, and the way forward to get out.
On July 21st, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Ralph Langenheim (not verified) said:
The name of the bar is "88 Broadway". not "88 West." The flyer is somewhat ambiguous in its text. Might be a sarcastic assault on Bill. Ralph Langenheim
Ezra, the main angle I'm reading isn't so much about the election or the foreign policy experience or lack thereof but a more straightforward "that's it, if the Iraqi government comes out and asks for a withdrawal on the early timeline, there's really no excuse for staying." Hence the CENTCOM statement trying to lessen the impact of what basically amounts to "Iraq wants the US out." They got lucky that broke over the weekend.
But yeah, it does help Obama that suddenly the main "he wants to get us out too fast and he would be hurting the Iraqi people by doing that, he doesn't know what the Iraqi people want and his supporters also are okay with just betraying the Iraqi people" line against his campaign pretty much goes away. I have seen coverage saying that there are many Americans who want the troops pulled out but have been swayed by the "but it would be betraying the Iraqis" argument and this statement from Maliki removes those hesitations.
If the current reason for staying is to protect the Iraqi people, and the supposedly sovereign representative of those people says that he doesn't want the help, well... there's the door. There's no SOFA signed yet, either, and it will rankle if Iraq doesn't pick a plan to keep some forward-deployed troops in for the foreseeable future, as in Japan and Korea and Germany and and...
FWIW Der Speigel has said they stand by their original translation.
On July 21st, 2008 at 03:14 PM, Anonymous (not verified) said:
Bill was there first.
Having visited 88 Broadway on July 11, I can assure you that Bill is less offensive than that creepy piano bar with the two creepy pianists. I think they must have paid the enthusiatics college students to swoon over the two middle aged piano player, who each reminded me of a cross between Regis Philbin and Wayne Newton.
On July 21st, 2008 at 03:25 PM, Anonymous (not verified) said:
Why are tougher questions not being asked of Paulson and Bernanke? Congress agrees in bipartisan fashion to hand the Fed and Treasury ever more power and taxpayer dollars. Paulson staffing up the Treasury in anticipation of... what? Home prices keep falling, and at accellerating rate--"bottom" keeps getting pushed out, first set in H2 '08, now pushed back to '09, maybe later. Credit fast drying up on most over-levered consumer in history and most folk's main assest (2/3 American's carry a mortgage) depreciating in accellerating fashion. Defaults now spreading into prime and commercial paper. Where is all the credit going to come from to prop up the numbers? In fact the available credit is disappearing fast. Is USA, while distracted by staring at gas price and food inflation, not doing the math and about to get hit square in the back of the head with the deflationary sledge hammer?
On July 21st, 2008 at 03:44 PM, Anonymous (not verified) said:
and another question, when do you think we will start to see the lawsuits about property assessments? when people start waking up to the fact that their property is worth much less and the assessments are high, what do you think they are going to do? Maybe they won't care? I don't think so. I hope our cities, school districts, etc. are preparing for this eventuality.
On July 21st, 2008 at 03:56 PM, IlliniPundit said:
"when people start waking up to the fact that their property is worth much less and the assessments are high, what do you think they are going to do?"
The smart ones will complain and file an appeal. The rest will complain.
"I hope our cities, school districts, etc. are preparing for this eventuality. "
They're not. If it happens on a large enough scale, you'll see a more concerted push to move away from property taxes for funding such things, so as to not endanger the tax-eaters.
I saw a story on Channel 3 recently about 88 West, the new piano bar in Lincoln Square Mall wanting to ban Homeless Bill from the shopping mall because he's bad for business. There was some odd idea presented to buy a hotel room for Bill in Jumers. Anyone else hear about this?
There's a flyer in support of Bill that says "88 West is bad for Urbana" going around to protest the mall owners from taking action against Bill. I saw them placed on 88 West's tables. Other business owners in the mall want Bill out too. I thought Urbana was supposed to be all fashionably progressive and stuff. It looks like some in Urbana are waking up to the reality of business.
So, now we have the Iraq prime minister saying over the weekend in an interview with Der Spiegel that the Obama plan for a withdrawal of the majority of U.S. troops within 16 months is doable, with some adjustments; then we have a sort of retraction by the Iraqi government issued through the U.S. military command, CENTCOM (a strange way for a sovereign government to communicate, don't you think?) saying the prime minister's remarks were misinterpreted but not saying how they were misinterpreted, and now, this morning, we have another statement by the Iraqi government saying there should be a deadline for U.S. troops withdrawal of 2010, which is roughly what the prime minister said yesterday. I see the National Review on-line dismisses the prime minister's statements as coming from someone whose political party is aligned with Iran. But, of course, the U.S. has been using Iran supporters since before we invaded Iraq, from Chalabi on down; remember Saddam Hussein and Iran were bitter enemies, and the first thing Paul Bremer did when he took over was bar all the Hussein supporters, the Baathist party members, from participating in the Iraqi government, so it is no big surprise, in fact it is inevitable that the people now in power in Iraq are friends with Iran. Of course, McCain is saying the only thing he can say, i.e. if it weren't for the success of the surge, we couldn't be talking about deadlines now; of course, if we had stopped to consider the consequences before we invaded Iraq in the first place, we wouldn't be have needed a surge and we wouldn't be needing to find a way out.
But don't the events of the last 48 hours kind of take the wind out of the Republican talking points that Obama is hopelessly naive on foreign affairs? It looks to me, of course I'm an Obama supporter, that Obama's better judgment has been confirmed twice -- the wisdom of invading Iraq, and the way forward to get out.
The name of the bar is "88 Broadway". not "88 West." The flyer is somewhat ambiguous in its text. Might be a sarcastic assault on Bill. Ralph Langenheim
88 West is an apartment complex in Champaign????
I see the National Review on-line dismisses the prime minister's statements as coming from someone whose political party is aligned with Iran.
This NRO article seems to paint the event as a pretty good deal for Obama:
Obama, Maliki, and McCainWith Obama visiting, the Iraqi PM delivers a body-blow to the GOP candidate.
Ezra, the main angle I'm reading isn't so much about the election or the foreign policy experience or lack thereof but a more straightforward "that's it, if the Iraqi government comes out and asks for a withdrawal on the early timeline, there's really no excuse for staying." Hence the CENTCOM statement trying to lessen the impact of what basically amounts to "Iraq wants the US out." They got lucky that broke over the weekend.
But yeah, it does help Obama that suddenly the main "he wants to get us out too fast and he would be hurting the Iraqi people by doing that, he doesn't know what the Iraqi people want and his supporters also are okay with just betraying the Iraqi people" line against his campaign pretty much goes away. I have seen coverage saying that there are many Americans who want the troops pulled out but have been swayed by the "but it would be betraying the Iraqis" argument and this statement from Maliki removes those hesitations.
If the current reason for staying is to protect the Iraqi people, and the supposedly sovereign representative of those people says that he doesn't want the help, well... there's the door. There's no SOFA signed yet, either, and it will rankle if Iraq doesn't pick a plan to keep some forward-deployed troops in for the foreseeable future, as in Japan and Korea and Germany and and...
FWIW Der Speigel has said they stand by their original translation.
Should get interesting.
Bill was there first.
Having visited 88 Broadway on July 11, I can assure you that Bill is less offensive than that creepy piano bar with the two creepy pianists. I think they must have paid the enthusiatics college students to swoon over the two middle aged piano player, who each reminded me of a cross between Regis Philbin and Wayne Newton.
Why are tougher questions not being asked of Paulson and Bernanke? Congress agrees in bipartisan fashion to hand the Fed and Treasury ever more power and taxpayer dollars. Paulson staffing up the Treasury in anticipation of... what? Home prices keep falling, and at accellerating rate--"bottom" keeps getting pushed out, first set in H2 '08, now pushed back to '09, maybe later. Credit fast drying up on most over-levered consumer in history and most folk's main assest (2/3 American's carry a mortgage) depreciating in accellerating fashion. Defaults now spreading into prime and commercial paper. Where is all the credit going to come from to prop up the numbers? In fact the available credit is disappearing fast. Is USA, while distracted by staring at gas price and food inflation, not doing the math and about to get hit square in the back of the head with the deflationary sledge hammer?
and another question, when do you think we will start to see the lawsuits about property assessments? when people start waking up to the fact that their property is worth much less and the assessments are high, what do you think they are going to do? Maybe they won't care? I don't think so. I hope our cities, school districts, etc. are preparing for this eventuality.
"when people start waking up to the fact that their property is worth much less and the assessments are high, what do you think they are going to do?"
The smart ones will complain and file an appeal. The rest will complain.
"I hope our cities, school districts, etc. are preparing for this eventuality. "
They're not. If it happens on a large enough scale, you'll see a more concerted push to move away from property taxes for funding such things, so as to not endanger the tax-eaters.
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