The New-Gazette headline asks, "Does Urbana Courthouse plaza need giant Lincoln head?"
Twenty-one feet tall, it would resemble one of the mysterious Easter Island sculptures, only with a stovepipe hat. Rubbing his nose might be a stretch.
Langenheim notes that of all the artists who have passed through Champaign-Urbana or the University of Illinois, only Gallo and Lorado Taft have international reputations.
He acknowledges that when he shows a picture that Gallo has Photoshopped from a Lincoln head he donated to Urbana High School, the usual reaction is shock.
"Every county courthouse in Illinois has a statue in the stylized Lincoln cliche style," Langenheim said. "This would not be one of those. It would attract some pretty strong feelings."
My answer is: only if it can be paid for via private donations. There no discussion in the article of how such a sculpture would be funded.







For once I would have to give Mr. Beckett some credit, he is againest it, and if the facimile in the paper was any indication of the monstrosity they want to put at the courthouse, more power to Beckett. I cannot beleive that Mr. Langenheim is really serious about this.
I don't care if such a monstrosity is funded by private funds--I don't want it sitting on public property. If the art lovers want to "honor" Lincoln in this way, perhaps a gallery showing of some kind is more appropriate.
I guess I'm a Phillistine when it comes to art.
Rest assured that this is a serious suggestion by Frank Gallo. He intends to create an artistically advanced tribute to Lincoln that will go beyond the endlessly repeated courthouse statues redolent of the last century. The proposed statue might well take its place amongst other iconic Lincoln monument such as the Lincoln Memorial, the Daniel Chester French statue in Chicago, Mt. Rushmore etc---a piece that will put this community on the map." A conventional piece in the popular image will not do this. You may assume that any monument placed on the courthouse plaza will be constructed with privately donated money. Ralph Langenheim
The proposed statue looks more like an oversized Chuckie Cheese statue. Mt. Rushmore?? Ralph you really take the cake sometimes, if you think that!
We don't need no stink’ in Lincoln Head, Take the Lincoln Statue out of Carle park (by force if necessary) and put it at the County Court house.
Now that one would look pretty good at the courthouse,,,,it was done with some style and class. Someone should know this,,,,where was that giant oversized statue of Lincoln at a few years ago,,,the one that looked like it was made of paper mache? It was south of here,,,,one town wanted to get rid of it because it was so tacky looking,,,I just cant remember where it was or where they ended up moving it. Please dont get any ideas of bringing that one here!!
I hope the picture is just a crude representation, intended to show only location and scale. As it now appears, it makes me wonder if a miniature golf course is planned for the foot of the courthouse steps.
I'm sure Mr. Gallo has good intentions. However, the thing I saw in the paper looked more like a cartoon caricature than any statute designed to honor a great President. I don't want to be on the map because of the giant head. Finally, something that Steve Beckett and I can agree on.
I would hope that the County Board rejects this quickly and works on some items of serious import, like the nursing home, taxes, etc.
You may assume that any monument placed on the courthouse plaza will be constructed with privately donated money.
Yeah right, Ralph. Just like the ridiculous clock and bell tower "restoration". That was supposd to be done only with private funds, but when those funds were not enough, Steve Beckett led the charge to go ahead with the project anyway, with the taxpayers picking up the cost beyond what had been raised privately.
Looks like the carvings of Easter Island to me... I remember that there was a oblisk that, when dedicated in 1965 to President Lincoln at Main and Neil in Champaign, was to be something that people drove miles to see... it soon became relagated to nothing and was finally moved to West Side park.... this statute is a bad idea in its present form.
Can't we just slap a plaque on the bell tower and call it our own personal Mt. Rushmore?
In honor of Urbana, what about a statue of Lincoln with a bong?
Maybe with a one hitter :)
A question comes to mind, Ralph. I thought Frank Gallo is most famous for his sculptures using cast paper depicting women, not men, not historical figures, nor of the dimensions alluded to in the N.G. So why the interest by Gallo in this subject, proportion and obviously different medium?
Would it be possible for it to dispense PEZ?
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At some point we have to trust the government. - redstatewannabe on 2008-06-12 at 1:14pm
Arvid, yours is the best post in many a moon. Just the right amount of tongue-in-cheek. Pattsi Petrie
So many questions but, here goes --
1) Be assured that this is a serious proposal by a very well reputed professional sculptor. It may be "out of the box" and arouses an instinctive negative reaction that always greets something new and different. Think about the Picasso sculpture on Michigan Avenue -- greeted with hoots and gibes, now a well-loved Chicago fixture.
2) The County will not be buying this, or any other statue. A monument eventually be presented to the county by a philanthropist or a group of motivated and concerned citizens. Incidentally, I was informed by Bruce Hannon last Friday that the funds contributed for the Bell Tower either have reached or are about to reach the full price of the job. There is no taxpayer money in the Bell Tower. We had a very present surprise when the foundations were exposed for inspection -- they are sound and adequate and no extra money will be called for.
3) You are correct in that Frank's reputation really soared with his molded paper work; which, by the way, was in the forefront of developement in sculpture at the time. He is, however adept and productive in other media -- such as large ceramic statues and molded plastic pieces. All of these, by the way are first modeled in clay, then a mold is made, then the piece is fired, cured, or stabilized with perhaps glaze applied. Bronze statues go the same way; starting with a molded clay version created by the hand of the artist, followed by a cast--generally plaster, followed by preparation of a mold and pouring the bronze. The Uof I, by the way, bought the contents of Lorado Taft's Studio some time after his death and acquired the plaster versions of many of his sculptures, some of which are on display in the halls of the Main Library on campus.
4) The giant Lincoln statue at Charleston is not related to this project in any way and is accorded little artistic merit.
5) Some of the cartoonishness that some of you see in the statue perhaps derives from Lincoln's own for, figure, choice of clothing and style. The man apparently was a joker, story teller and something of a self dramatizer. Ralph Langenehim
(EDITED by IP for formatting.)
Ralph, I think the Lincoln statue in Carle Park, across from UHS would be a much better statue for the Court House Plaza, the Carle Park statue has been vandalized in the past and will be again. btw, the Chicago Picasso is in front of Chicago City Hall, I think its on Randolph. :)
PEZ!!!!!! I'm still laughing, Arvid :D
I don't know that I'm such in favor of the giant head myself, but it should be noted that what ran in the paper was a pretty quick'n'dirty Photoshop job. Supposedly the thing will have a base, etc. I'd want to see a better mockup before making final judgement.
I heard another opinion that if the head is there it might be fun to have the toes stick up on the other side of the street...
Ralph, along with being a bit of joker,,Lincoln also suffered from dyspepsia, chronically,,,,(severe constipation), should the artist also build a box of Ex-Lax alongside in keeping with the carnival atmosphere?
Ralph
I like it. Go for it. I doubt that picture does it full justice, but based on the description of the full "vision-thing" I'm a fan of this project.
On August 26th, 2008 at 07:56 AM, Bruce Byrd said:
Ralph, along with being a bit of joker,,Lincoln also suffered from dyspepsia, chronically,,,,(severe constipation)
Bruce that condition is not unique to Lincoln, most politicians are FULL OF IT!!
I heard another opinion that if the head is there it might be fun to have the toes stick up on the other side of the street...
LOL!!!!!!
now, that is something I could support. Abe would need a big smile on his face, and be in a slightly reclining position.
Greg that is sure true..what is scary,is there are so many people in this area that want to feel like they belong in the "cafe society" set,,,,raising money for "IT", is a real possibilty...but what the heck,,,they should go all out and equip him special like,,,,,,just like they did the late great Peter Boyle in Young Frankenstein,,,,,,,,now that, would bring in people from miles around. :)
"they should go all out and equip him special like,,,,,,just like they did the late great Peter Boyle in Young Frankenstein,,,,,,,,now that, would bring in people from miles around. :)"
I'm afraid that such an enhancement, in order to be as realistic as possible, might need to be erected in the middle of Main Street. Traffic is bad enough in downtown Urbana as it is. ;-)
Giant Lincoln Head--I just keep thinking of Third Rock from the Sun, Arvid your Pez comment was great but of course since it came from a democrat I have decided to ignore it.
1) Although this proposal is definitely not a joke, the numerous risable comments, one scatological, show that it does engage the minds of shakers and movers in the public. It causes folks to think and talk about Lincoln.
2) Large commeorative sculptures are a feature of many past cultures -- Ramses on the Nile, the Olmec heads in Mexico, etc. We will be in good company.
3) I'm sure that you all will be happy to know that interest has been expressed by at least one significant potential donor to the cause.
Arvid your Pez comment was great but of course since it came from a democrat I have decided to ignore it.
FWIW, I'm not a Democrat. I'm a liberal who is between Democratic and Green, but I lean closer to Green.
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At some point we have to trust the government. - redstatewannabe on 2008-06-12 at 1:14pm
FWIW, I'm not a Democrat. I'm a liberal who is between Democratic and Green, but I lean closer to Green.
That makes it all better, so Run4 should now be able to listen to your comment.
Large commeorative sculptures are a feature of many past cultures -- Ramses on the Nile, the Olmec heads in Mexico, etc. We will be in good company.
Yeah, but the vast majority of sculptures of political/historical figures are of the full body or a bust. Not a giant floating head, which tends to look ridiculous.
Yeah, but the vast majority of sculptures of political/historical figures are of the full body or a bust. Not a giant floating head, which tends to look ridiculous.
Didn't some cultures impale heads on spikes?
Ralph,,,,,,,,,if you get the funds to make it,,,,please try and have it built on some kind of mobile platform, we can wheel it around to the county fairs, to schools,,,,maybe even use it to scare kids into going to sleep,,,,you know like the old days with the boogie man,,,,wheel it up,,,by appointment outside some poor kids bedroom window,,,scare the heck out of them,,,,,also it will be handy when everyone laughs at the damn thing in front of the court house,,,it will be easier to wheel it over to Mac's and recycle it.
Arvid's PEZ dispenser idea was brilliant. Maybe they could set it up so that people got PEZ as rewards for showing up for their court appearances.
Pez would work,,,,,,,but you would need sugar free also,,,,,,,,,dont want the county to get a lawsuit for having old Abe.cause some one to get ill, Man,,,I was just thinking can you imagine the size of the jaw hinges that nasty thing would have to have on it,,,,to get the Pez to come out??? IT would need hydrolics or something on it,,,,I guess it could be his top hat pops up, and they come out that way!
How about a sculpture of the heads of those responsible for the spending of the people's money on the clock tower fiasco, some cheap plaster heads impaled on spikes, since their actual physical heads are not readily available?
To Regnad Kcin: FYI Acording to Bruce Hannon contributions for the clock tower now cover the cost of the tower. Also, the foundations, when exposed, proved sturdy enough to serve for the new structure--no costly surprise here.
To Bruce Byrd: You are having a lot of fun with the Lincoln monument. Sounds like you are a secret admirer of the concept.
Acording to Bruce Hannon contributions for the clock tower now cover the cost of the tower. Also, the foundations, when exposed, proved sturdy enough to serve for the new structure--no costly surprise here.
Yeah, but both of these things happened AFTER the county went ahead with the project. So, the taxpayers would have been on the hook if the foundation had needed work and private donors didn't come through. That's why people are upset.
Ralph: I have not problem with monuments in front of court houses.....I have read about and tried to understand Lincoln for the last 40 years. My problem with it is this...there are homeless people living under the bridge just a few blocks from the courthouse, the county has shown they really have a hard time taking care of essentials. ie: the nursing home, some renowned artist, Gallo, wants to make himself a nice little commisson by putting up his idea of what is art, subject Abraham Lincoln,,,,and it is nothing more than a Mr. Potato Head that is supposed to be art. If he puts that damn thing up as described it will turn Urbana and the courthouse area into a clown zone. Sure some people will come to point and laugh....but people don't maintain their curiosity level on crap like that for long, Then what? If the guy really wants to do something, and you also, have him build up and onto the Vets area, do something tasteful, and topical to celebrate the men and women that have served and continue to serve this country, if he can come up with something tasteful for that,,I will send in my check for $1000.00. Other than that, Lincoln sure did not seem like a guy that would mind some one making a buck using him,,but he also seems like a guy that would laugh like hell at all the hoopla over him, and wonder what all the fuss is about,,,,,have Gallo build something that matters now,,,,,not for some man,,,albeit a great man that died in 1865. Or if he determined to go that route,,,,at least do something tasteful.
To equate the Chicago Picasso with this proposal indicates an astounding ignorance of art. Money or the ability to raise great amount of money does not make people competent to make artisitic decisions. The scale is not the problem as the site truly requires something of large scale. This would be a roadside attraction more akin to a Big Butter Jesus than a sculpture by a giant of twentieth century art.
"Big Butter Jesus"
I'd send in a contribution for that.
Seriously. Maybe a new butter sculpture yearly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq01UYiMyHg
Big butter Jesus - great song.
If the jaws open, maybe we can turn it into a bean bag game and make some money from surrounding fairs.
JUST SAY NO TO THE GIANT HEAD!
STEP AWAY FROM THE GIANT HEAD!
I believe Ralph Langenheim is trying to undermine the States Attorney and the criminal justice system. Everyone knows that rubbing Lincoln's nose brings incredible luck. I forsee criminal convictions droping at least 80%. What is going to happen to Champaign County when we can't convict our criminals. Shame on you Ralph, Shame. To repeat an often used slogan, "What's he thinking?"
The eyes should light up, and a loudspeaker should say "Help me! I've been buried up to my neck!"
I say let's make Gallo's proposal a little more servicable and put an ATM machine in Lincoln's mouth as a convenience to those needing to pay fines. Perhaps we could do arraignments out of his mouth like a Jack-in-the-Box order board. "Will that be guilty or not guilty today?" "Would you like a bench or jury trial?" "And will you be hiring an attorney or would you like one appointed for you?" "Thank you and please take the ticket with your next court date on it." "Next, please...."
Or we could have a half naked Charlton Heston screaming "Where's justice?" around the thing, ala Planet of the Apes. I suspect this proposal will get more consideration than increased funding for the public defender's office.
Perhaps it can suck trash out of your hand like the cow at the fairgrounds...
Bob Loblaw
"Perhaps we could do arraignments out of his mouth like a Jack-in-the-Box order board. "Will that be guilty or not guilty today?" "Would you like a bench or jury trial?" "And will you be hiring an attorney or would you like one appointed for you?" "Thank you and please take the ticket with your next court date on it." "Next, please....""
"Thank you for coming today. Welcome to your arraignment, Mister ... uh, Clem ..."
A bit of internet research has uncovered some precedent for Frank Gallo's proposal for an unsupported head of Lincoln in front of the courthouse. I refer you to the head of Lincoln in front of his tomb in Springfield. This bronze head rests directly on its pedestal in a thin swirl of drapery in a manner likely to be follwed in Gallo's ultimate sculture. Some of you may be amongst the millions who have rubbed the nose of that statue, keeping it bright and shiny. The Springfield bronze is 40 inches high and is a copy of Gutzon Borglum's (he of Mt. Rushmore fame) marble original in the U. 'S.Capitol. This piece was was more or less commissioned by Theodore Roosevelt and its style is largely affected by Gutzon Borglum's association with Auguste Rodin. It's size is appropriate for display in the U. S.Capitol Rotunda. The much larger head proposed by Frank Gallo designed to fill an outdoor site in front of a large building. May I reemphasize that this proposal is serious. It is the work of an accomplished artist, and likely achieve iconic stature and a place in the on going historyof monumental sculpture. It is a real opportunity for our community to join the ranks of "special' places. Ralph Langenheim
This bronze head rests directly on its pedestal in a thin swirl of drapery in a manner likely to be follwed in Gallo's ultimate sculture.
Except it's a relief. And on a pedestal. And doesn't have the hat. Or the beard. And isn't 20 feet tall.
Mr. Langenheim, you have to understand the criticism of Mr. Gallo's piece is probably because the proposal comes at the worst possible time, during the $6.8 million dollar clock-tower renovation, Mr. Beckett's other fetish besides Lincoln. The conservative taxpayers on this site are not interested in public decorations at this particular time.
Also, your prediction that Gallo will create a piece that will, "... likely achieve iconic stature and a place in the on- going history of monumental sculpture. It is a real opportunity for our community to join the ranks of 'special' places." is not easily recognized by the proposal on the front page of the News-Gazette. Indeed Gallo, himself, says the current proposal is not what he is offering as Gallo states the Lincoln won't have a beard and the hat will be "different" though Gallo doesn't specify what the difference will be. I suggest Mr. Gallo do another rendition of his proposal with a possible 3 ft. simulation so we can better understand his proposal, seriously.
The public is a little suspicious of this being a "honoring" symbol (and lord knows, symbols had better be honoring around here) since Gallo confesses to wanting to challenge Mr. Beckett's obsession with Lincoln. Honoring Lincoln is like gravity in American culture, and Gallo's artwork strikes many as a snide joke about a fine attorney who had negro slaves from Charlston, Ill. sent back to where they came from, the property of legally-entitled slaveholders somewhere in the south. (an actual case Lincoln processed at the Charlston courthouse in the early 1850's if I am not mistaken.)
While one County Board member should not have the last word on what art is worthy to be made, Beckett's criticism strikes many as accurate. You and Frank Gallo do agree that since you've chosen public property to plunk what would be a great 7th hole for a fine minature golf course, the rest of us get to have a say if it's a go or not? Or is this like private developers doing whatever they want, whenever they want, public be damned? You two mischevious coffee drinkers aren't doing a "Prussing" and jamming art down our throats with our money, are you? Prussing's god-awful "Pee Fountain" to the left of the Municipal Building that no one notices is the kind of artistic elitism- that is also expressed by the Federal Courthouse's silver adornment- the public is weary of. Like alot of things in Champaign County, if it's such a great idea, can we at least vote on it somehow? Probably not. Maybe the Tram can take all the tourists to The Giant Egotistical Lincoln Head at the Courthouse, eh?
To 'Thought Police' with due respect, you have it wrong, the Gutzon Borglum Lincoln at the tomb is a bust, not a relief. It is on a pedestal, which is not Frank Gallo's intent. He want's to show Lincoln at ground level and eye to eye, so to speak, with the people, rather than enthroned on a pedestal. Gallo's ultimte Lincoln, will not be the same as that shown in the picture. It will be beardless, showing his face as it was when he was on the circuit.
Ralph, some of these posts have been funny and creative, but none as you claim have focused on Lincoln. This is a bit telling, I would think. Further if, as stated by you and Gallo, what has been shown to the general public is not even near a general depiction of what is the artist's artistic design, then why in the world was it made public? Oh, I know--as a discussion counter to the Democratic convention. :-)
Pattsi Petrie
What :-) that's funnier then the Pez comment, come to think of it Gordy is pretty diabolical, he must have talked the New Gazette into putting the picture in the paper. Yeah that’s the ticket.
I can’t believe we keep talking about this stupid Lincoln head.
What are we talking about, then, if Gallo's product won't be anything like the newpaper picture? Was he just floating this idea out there, hoping some spendthrift politician would take him up on the it?
As an admirer of Lincoln, I have a hard time understanding how the mess depicted in the newspaper would honor anyone, let alone Lincoln. How can the kind of thing you're talking about now be our own personal Mt. Rushmore? If the proposal is a statue of Lincoln as he looked as a young man, maybe that's approrpriate, but as far as I'm concerned, any County Board member who supports the monstrosity that we saw in the paper should resign and take an art appreciation course.
Keep Lincoln on the pedestal where he belongs.
giant Ralph head?