Ouch:
The University of Illinois has so far seen only $400,000 of $317 million it is owed by the state, leading to a virtual hiring freeze and the possibility of furloughs.
And the state may cut even deeper.
The UI has billed the state for $317 million of its current fiscal year 2010 appropriation as of this week, but has received only $400,000 for all three campuses.
And in case anyone is wondering what Democratic governance has done to the UI:
White and Ikenberry noted that the problem even precedes the recession:
"In fiscal year 2002, the university's state general fund appropriation was $804 million. By fiscal 2009, that amount was down to $700 million after accounting for a $19 million rescission and a redirection of $24 million annually to cover part of our health care costs previously paid by the state. This is a reduction of 13 percent, excluding inflation, or 30 percent in real terms."
(Note: over the same period, total state expenditure rose from roughly $36 billion to $50 billion.)
The UI just hasn't been a priority for the Democrats running Illinois.
Maybe the N-G will do an indepth article concerning these fiscal difficulties including an analysis of what the cost of the Global Campus along with other discretionary expenditures have done to aggravate the past and present financial difficulties.
Pattsi Petrie
So what EXACTLY would you have them cut in order to move the money to the UI? Or perhaps - *gasp* - they might actually need to raise the income tax?
To Akibare @ 11:00 A--IMHO the citizens of this state might be more willing to support tax increase if and only if the citizens had a better understanding of the waste and abuse of spending in the state that probably has contributed to the tenuous financial condition within this state. Once before, somewhat tongue in cheek, I mentioned that it would be interesting if one of the newspapers in this state printed a Daily Outrage as does the Washington Examiner to expose the unnecessary discretionary spending. I am not inspired to support tax increase until I have this information. It is a bit of a stretch to put the burden of financial bailouts on the general citizenary when these people have no recourse in turn. :-)
Pattsi Petrie
Cuts at the U of I are WAY overdue.
"So what EXACTLY would you have them cut in order to move the money to the UI? Or perhaps - *gasp* - they might actually need to raise the income tax?"
You don't think it's possible to cut significantly in a budget that has grown its spending by 40 percent over the past seven years? Really?
Let's start with 2002 spending levels across the board, and then allocate "extra" revenues from there. Of course, starting at 2002 levels means a funding increase for UI.
So what EXACTLY would you have them cut in order to move the money to the UI?
Pensions for new hires (switch to a defined contribution benefit plan), legislative scholarships, SCHIP (reduced, not cut), the capital projects stuff,...
IP, I hear constantly "bloated budget" and "trim the fat" and all the usual buzzwords.
SHOW me where the bloat is, EXACTLY where it is, what programs, and how much savings that will get. For starters. Hard numbers.
FWIW, no one running for governor from any party has ever been able to come up with those numbers, at least not in public. But without hard numbers, the "oh no problem we'll just cut the fat to get the money we need for MY pet project" noise is just that - noise.
As for "cuts at the UI" - again, exactly WHAT do you propose to cut?
And don't forget the hue and cry over shutting down Pontiac prison, over shutting down some state park facilities. Those were cuts, made under Blagojevich (note: I am not endorsing him) that had people screaming and then so relieved when they were undone.
It seems that in government, as in any other arena, everyone is secretly thinking, well, we don't need any of THOSE people's projects, no, cut all that cruft out and just fund MY stuff. Same thing at the UI, really, let's cut all those departments we don't need and just fund MY department. Etc. It all seems so easy, until you make public the list and then everyone starts fighting. It's human, I guess.
Uh, does anyone know where we can get the "hard" numbers from? I would really like to take a look at the state budget, line-by-line, but can't seem to find anything really relevent online? Any suggestions?
"SHOW me where the bloat is, EXACTLY where it is, what programs, and how much savings that will get. For starters. Hard numbers."
I did. I would cut everything to the spending levels of 2002, and then spread the "extra" $7 billion or so in revenue to core state functions - education, public safety, social safety nets.
Can you justify to me why we need to spend $14 billion more than in 2002, after six-plus years of corruption and mismangement by Blagojevich and Quinn?
I did. I would cut everything to the spending levels of 2002, and then spread the "extra" $7 billion or so in revenue to core state functions - education, public safety, social safety nets.
No, you didn't. You didn't say what increased between 2002 and now that you would want to see cut because you don't know what increased, or even why it increased. You just dodged the question. Why go back to 2002? Why not cut things back to mid-1990s levels of spending if that saves us even more money?
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This last post conclusively proves that Arvid is in fact Laurel Prussing. Sad. - Anonymous on 2009-06-22 @ 9:30am
"Why go back to 2002? Why not cut things back to mid-1990s levels of spending if that saves us even more money?"
Because I have no faith in the budgetary decisions that have been made since Rod Blagojevich became Governor. Do you?
To Akibare @ 12:04 P--(this is not an endorsement of Hynes) Previously I posted that when Dan Hynes was in town, at least 6 weeks ago and before he formally announced, he gave an informal talk at Democratic headquarters. During the 45 minutes of formal presentation, he went through a good number of possible places to begin moving forward at constraining the budget and expenditures, including facts and figures. This was followed by a fairly robust Q & A. I have not heard any other candidate do this. Caveat--I am not an expert on the state budget so do not attest to a reality check of his proposed suggestions; nonetheless, he is comptroller.
Pattsi Petrie
Switching to a defined contribution plan would actually increase the state government's current outlays. Currently university employees covered by SURS have 8% deducted as their contribution which the state is supposed to match. In recent years the state has shorted their contribution to SURS, in some years not making any contribution at all. If the state switches to a defined contribution they will actually have to make the payment to the employees account. This would drive up current expenditures.
I can't believe you can seriously assert that defined benefit plans aren't vastly more expensive to the employer than defined contribution plans. All levels of government (yes that includes teachers) should immediately cease pension plans for new hires if they are serious about reducing budgetary bloating. Of course this won't happen because the unions would howl and threaten to cut off campaign contributions for those that support pension reform.
I do understand that changing from the pension system would pinch cash flows, and be pretty painful in the short term. It is still a good idea, though, because of the long-term savings and because it would take away a slush fund from which the GA continually "borrows" money (and never pays back).
I probably shouldn't have mentioned it as a budget cut that would free up money for U of I - it wouldn't for many, many years.
I am sure that you academic types will just raise the tuition rate again to continue to feed your ponzi scheme, and drive the Illinois middle class further into unmanageable debt. That always seems to be the solution for those who shout from their bully pulpit down at the general citizenry. Raise the middle class' income tax, raise their tuition. Pretty soon, there will be no more middle class.
Because I have no faith in the budgetary decisions that have been made since Rod Blagojevich became Governor. Do you?
I lost faith in the budgetary decisions made at the state level long before Blago and Blago just continued the tradition of irresponsibility. It is a bipartisan failure and we deserve a hell of a lot better.
Here is an example and I'm going to pick on someone from right here in central Illinois since some seem to think that all the irresponsibility comes from the metropolis to the north. Not that many months ago the legislature passed the so-called capital bill. State Senator Bill Brady, current candidate for Governor, voted against the bag of taxes and fee increases that supposedly fund it but he was more than happy to vote for the capital bill itself. He like the others got to pick one or more projects from his area to share in the largesse. So what did he pick - a bridge that needed to be replaced or a new sewer system or water tower or even one of the many public building needs - no, he chose to send money to the Newman Center in Normal which although open to the public it's public purpose is arguable.
Now the project that Brady chose is probably not the worst in the bag; some gated community up north mysteriously got some money. But it certainly wasn't a good use of our tax dollars. And when the state is so far in hole with respect to the core budget, why weren't those revenue sources tapped to fix the big problem instead of spreading around the pork - again.
Our state has a huge budget problem and here is a legislator, an avowed conservative supposedly, and a candidate for governor who clearly lacks a sense of responsible use of public money.
It's enough to make a grown man cry.
I yield the soap-box ....
Start with those services provided by University forces that duplicate or compete with services provided by the private sector. SEDAC. State Sustainability Office, etc. Cut the Facilities and Services staff by 30% and make them work an actual 8 hour day. Reduce the benefit package to that offered in the private sector. Increase the retirement threshold to 40 years. Decrease pension program for all new hires.
Put the emphasis on teaching and not on adminstration and overhead.
Start with those services provided by University forces that duplicate or compete with services provided by the private sector. SEDAC. State Sustainability Office, etc. Cut the Facilities and Services staff by 30% and make them work an actual 8 hour day. Reduce the benefit package to that offered in the private sector. Increase the retirement threshold to 40 years. Decrease pension program for all new hires.
And with your plan to reduce the benefits package, will you also be increasing worker salaries to that offered in the private sector? Same when you want F&S to go from 7.5 to 8 hours a day? Or should they just be happy that they have a job at all and thank you for their massive pay cut of between $4000 and $25,000 each. Good luck getting the public work done.
You can talk about cutting benefits all you want, but unless you're willing to compensate public employees the same in all ways that private employees are, then this is a red herring. I suppose, since you want to cut public employee benefits, we can start with not giving university police officers double-time-and-a-half for extra work since standard holiday pay in the private sector is time-and-a-half, right? Or are you going to tell us how they deserve it, and so you'd rather pick and choose just like our legislature does? You can't have it both ways, you know...
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This last post conclusively proves that Arvid is in fact Laurel Prussing. Sad. - Anonymous on 2009-06-22 @ 9:30am
but unless you're willing to compensate public employees the same in all ways that private employees are
I would absolutely be willing to do this if public employees raise their productivity to the same output as a private sector employee. Then we can cut the rest that aren't needed.
Actually Arvid you would probably have to cut some U of I worker salaries if you were going to match with the private sector. I would be very surprised if even 10% of the local employers have the same high level of benefits U of I employees receive.
I am not kidding. If the state had faithfully paid their 8% of payroll into SURS as required by law, our pension fund would be in good shape. You overlook that the state doesn't pay the 7.65 % federal payroll taxes and doesn't do a 401K match which is common in the private sector. In addition, there is no cap on the salary level at which there are no more deductions as is the case with FICA. Weber, Zook, White and all the highly paid employees pay the 8% on every dollar of their salary.
a 401K match which is common in the private sector
not anymore it isn't
more evidence of public sector employees out of touch with middle class private sector workers
So if I hire on at the U of I tomorrow, my pension should be less than guy I'm working next to who hired on in 2001, after the same number of years of service are completed?
THAT should attract quality new hires.
Every time there are postings about the defined benefits at the university, people choose to forget the windfall and offset aspects of social security that come into play and do not in the private sector. Run a couple of examples to find out if in fact people at the university are better off. If you run several scenarios be certain to include retirement health care cost and the fact that the state mandates Medicare B if one is eligible for social security whether received or not. Sometimes the grass is not always greener on the other side of the septic tank.
Pattsi Petrie
I love the drumbeat on Global Campus, a fiasco that cost $10 million and probably helped get the UI onto the right track, and how it's that $10 million that brought the UI down,, rather than the not getting $317 million it';s owed
What makes you think we "academic types" aren't also part of the middle class? I am.
two words: pension envy
How exactly did Global Campus help get the UI onto the right track (and what is that "right track" that you're speaking of)? Global Campus is separate from regular IT and online offerings for on-campus people.
Salaries at U of I have quite a range (as you can see by flipping through "the gray book" at the public library). In many technical fields, the salaries are quite a bit lower than they are in the private sector, but the benefits make up for that - not only money-equivalent benefits either, but job security, more flexible vacation, that sort of thing. People still have the nice situation that most Americans used to have and many people around the world still do have, and it's a fairly open fact when hiring that you will accept a lower wage but have this nicer working environment - not quite a blatant quid pro quo, but pretty well acknowledged by all parties. Even so, when the economy picks up, people do leave for the private sector (read: Boston and Silicon Valley) on a fairly regular basis.
Still, when hiring on new people the disparity can't be too enormous or you won't get any applicants. So over time, yes, salaries do rise as they do anywhere. All the talking of the benefits and how it's cheap to live in central Illinois only goes so far.
Some one said a little while back that tuition at the U of I used to be $343 per semester.
I can remember that.
At that time the administration was in one building, the administration building. We had student services in another building and that was it. We have allowed the levels of bureaucracy to proliferate and now they spill out into several new buildings, one on Illinois near Krannert and the Swanlund building, into Harker Hall, who knows where else we now have university administration. That's one place to make the cuts. Reduce the levels of complexity.
And cut the salaries. "You wont get any applicants." Really? I rather doubt it. Cut the salaries and withdraw the tenure. There are budget-linked methods for withdrawing tenure. Cut them loose. Ha. Cut 'em loose. The applicants will be lined up around the block.
We have administrators brave enough to steal from the people.
Why is it that we dont have any brave enough to cut the Gordian knot of bureaucracy at the university of Illinois?
Cut the salaries and withdraw the tenure. There are budget-linked methods for withdrawing tenure. Cut them loose. Ha. Cut 'em loose. The applicants will be lined up around the block.
If UI had no tenure and lower faculty salaries, they'd get still get applicants. Just not the kind they wanted.
Just not the kind they wanted.
But maybe, the kind they need.
But maybe, the kind they need.
The kind who get hired on at EIU, WIU, Parkland and DACC are what UIUC needs? I think not.
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This last post conclusively proves that Arvid is in fact Laurel Prussing. Sad. - Anonymous on 2009-06-22 @ 9:30am
It's not just the U of I, the state is shafting ISU, where I work, as well. In fact, they're shafting every university in the state. It makes me wonder why any of the "state" schools are even "state" schools anymore. How can you be called a "state" school when less than a quarter of your budget comes from the state? In 5-10 years, it will be the same price to attend a private school as it will be to attend U of I, ISU, EIU, etc.
The kind who get hired on at EIU, WIU, Parkland and DACC are what UIUC needs? I think not.
Ahhh, the old UI elitism shining through :)
I teach at Parkland. Screw you, Arvid, you are now in the total dumpster of my opinion of you and I shall scrutinize your comments from now on. I expect them to rise to Ph.D levels, or you shall be ostracized and condemned for your lack of intelligent communication and reasoning.
You can call elitism and say "screw you" to me all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the faculty at the other state schools tend to be a different type of academic than found at UIUC. They're good people and good instructors and typically, they're better at relating instructional material to students than the faculty at UIUC. However, they're not primarily researchers, and UIUC is a research university. You're comparing apples to oranges in terms of the type of faculty each university needs to attract in order to thrive. In order for UIUC to remain competitive and stay as a world-class university, it needs to attract faculty and staff who are effective reserachers that bring in big grant money. Other schools like EIU, WIU, Parkland or DACC don't do anywhere close to the kind of research that UIUC does, that's a simple fact. UIUC has produced a mountain of technological advances, including the graphical web browser you are using to cry about "UI elitism". What has EIU produced in the last 20 years besides Tony Romo?
I happen to also be an alum of Parkland as well as UIUC, and your childish response of "screw you" is not very representative of the faculty, so I'll just assume you're blowing smoke. Since I'm not a Ph.D, why would you expect my comments to rise to that level? Obviously your comments can't make that standard. If you actually do teach at Parkland, I hope you manage dissent in your classroom better than this, or you won't be teaching there much longer.
If you are indeed faculty there (not just a part-time instructor, but genuine full-time tenure track faculty) and truly believe that an academic at Parkland is truly on par with an academic at UIUC, then I challenge you to name just one major technological or societal advance that any professor or researcher at Parkland has produced due to their professional appointment at Parkland. Just one. When you can do that, then you have solid reasoning to place my statements in the dumpster and, ostracize/condemn my future comments.
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This last post conclusively proves that Arvid is in fact Laurel Prussing. Sad. - Anonymous on 2009-06-22 @ 9:30am
Yeah Arvid.... the quality at the U of I is great. I remember when my kid had to take Spanish from a Korean who didnt speak English. That worked really well for him at the U of I. Instructors at SIU, EIU, WIU and Parkland are more caring about the students than the Professors at the U of I who view students as simply blobs who take up their valuable time in research in some urbane subject as to "why do flies have sex" or some other nonsense. I would take the top 1% of the students at the directional colleges and compare them with the U of I, and I think you will be stunned to see that they are about the same at both.
Yeah Arvid.... the quality at the U of I is great. I remember when my kid had to take Spanish from a Korean who didnt speak English. That worked really well for him at the U of I. Instructors at SIU, EIU, WIU and Parkland are more caring about the students than the Professors at the U of I who view students as simply blobs who take up their valuable time in research in some urbane subject as to "why do flies have sex" or some other nonsense.
So, you've restated what I already said... "They're good people and good instructors and typically, they're better at relating instructional material to students than the faculty at UIUC. However, they're not primarily researchers, and UIUC is a research university."
I would take the top 1% of the students at the directional colleges and compare them with the U of I, and I think you will be stunned to see that they are about the same at both.
You would take that, but you would be the one stunned to learn that you're wrong, but go ahead and keep comparing apples and oranges.
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This last post conclusively proves that Arvid is in fact Laurel Prussing. Sad. - Anonymous on 2009-06-22 @ 9:30am
Because I have no faith in the budgetary decisions that have been made since Rod Blagojevich became Governor. Do you?
I have nothing *but* faith in AllKids. Two kids on it, covered at $80 a month.
You cut the budget back to 2002 and you get rid of AllKids. Hundreds of thousands of people will lose their coverage.
Which is a fine proposal, but do you have a solution for all those folks who lose their coverage?
"it needs to attract faculty and staff who are effective reserachers that bring in big grant money"
Maybe researchers in spelling, Arvid?
Maybe researchers in spelling, Arvid?
That's the best rebuttal you've got to my comment? Picking out one typo as if it magically invalidates my entire point? Really? That's quite telling...
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This last post conclusively proves that Arvid is in fact Laurel Prussing. Sad. - Anonymous on 2009-06-22 @ 9:30am
So Arvid.. why not just get rid of the students so that the U of I faculty can concentrate on its real misson of research. That would cut the budget by a whole bunch wouldnt it.
I have nothing *but* faith in AllKids. Two kids on it, covered at $80 a month. You cut the budget back to 2002 and you get rid of AllKids. Hundreds of thousands of people will lose their coverage. Which is a fine proposal, but do you have a solution for all those folks who lose their coverage?
Don't get too comfortable with CHIP, it too is on the chopping block.
"The $894 billion, 1,990-page health reform bill unveiled by House Democrats last Thursday would repeal CHIP at the end of 2013, shifting millions of kids instead into private plans contained on a proposed health insurance marketplace, dubbed the exchange." The Washington Independent
I have nothing *but* faith in AllKids. Two kids on it, covered at $80 a month.
You cut the budget back to 2002 and you get rid of AllKids. Hundreds of thousands of people will lose their coverage.
Which is a fine proposal, but do you have a solution for all those folks who lose their coverage?
You have children on taxpayer subsidized health insurance, yet you seem to have an abundant amount of time to run your mouth and argue with people on the internet.
Gee, I wonder what you could do with all of that time instead. Maybe, like, spending it more productively working and making some money to pay the way for your own children.
To Anonymous @ 9:59 A--if you do not know A for Anonymous, how can you judge how this individual uses his/her time. If you do know A for Anonymous, then maybe it works more effectively to make your comment about time use privately in an email.
Pattsi Petrie
I'm wondering, if the U of I is so inferior to EIU, Parkland, etc., why was there such an enormous outcry over a few hundred kids who didn't get accepted because of potential political favoritism (and forced the U of I's leadership to resign)? I mean, those kids could have more easily gone to EIU or Parkland, for less money no less. why are there thousands and thousands more students applying to U of I than can get in? I'm always fascinated at how, on these message boards and in the letters to the editor, writers consistently try to insult the faculty at U of I and then brag what a great school it is. How can the U of I be a world-class institution, and yet have such inept, ignorant faculty?
"I have nothing *but* faith in AllKids. Two kids on it, covered at $80 a month."
I, and the rest of the Illinois taxpayers and medical providers who are subsidizing your care would like to say, "You're welcome."
i think the swellest thing that could hapepen here is to strip the UIK down to nothing. cos we don't want a world-class university. nope, we don't want web browsers, transisitors, MRI's or anthying else that UI ever had a hand in. i'm sure the UI contributes nothing at all to the community as far as salaries and pruchases. yep, the ui is the big problem. really, EIU and Parkland are the answer to everything.
Oh, and somebody had a bad TA at the UI once! so it must suck. BTW - -your kid in the spanish class? what's important is that he should have been learning Spanish, not english. If you're conducting a spanish class in english, that's not really good
MRI's came from EMI, in the UK. The same EMI that published many albums.
I couldn't give a rat's behind about whether UI has strong brand recognition. Their mission is to provide citizens of IL with a quality education at an affordable price. They are failing miserably. And them asians ain't comin' from Clinton or Barrington. They're coming from the other side of the Pacific Ocean. I'm glad they've come here to suck on our resources.
Yeah well if that Korean could have spoken Spanish with out an Korean accent, then perhaps it would have been easier for him. Oh wait, I have an idea. How about hiring a bi lingual American to do it? Hey now that would be a concept now wouldnt it.
How much the U of I paying to make the President and the former Chancellor to go away? 500k per year for life?
I couldn't give a rat's behind about whether UI has strong brand recognition. Their mission is to provide citizens of IL with a quality education at an affordable price. They are failing miserably. And them asians ain't comin' from Clinton or Barrington. They're coming from the other side of the Pacific Ocean. I'm glad they've come here to suck on our resources.
To maintain their position as an R-1, they have to have faculty members with strong research reputations. Being a highly-ranked university helps faculty pull in research funding, some of which goes to the university in the form of overhead. This doesn't mean that Parkland or EIU faculty are bad; the goals are just different. If UI were to abolish tenure and cut faculty salaries, their top faculty would probably have the easiest time getting hired somewhere else.
As far as the Asian grad students, they're not being subsidized by UI. They either have to pay tuition and fees or do something to earn a waiver (like work as an RA).
"I couldn't give a rat's behind about whether UI has strong brand recognition. Their mission is to provide citizens of IL with a quality education at an affordable price. They are failing miserably. And them asians ain't comin' from Clinton or Barrington. They're coming from the other side of the Pacific Ocean. I'm glad they've come here to suck on our resources."
Wow.
EDIT: Forget it, I'm done.
"So, on behalf of my wife who is able to stay home with our kids and raise them as a family, and on behalf of my kids who do not have to truck it off to daycare 40 hours a week, and on behalf of all of society who will probably benefit because they are at home for these first few, crucial years, I say thank you.
When government works well it is a beautiful thing."
In your opinion, it is "a beautiful thing" when the government takes from my family to provide for yours. From my perspective, not so much. :-/
My wife would also LOVE to stay home with the kids. I know I would love for her to do that. But we can't, at least not without drastically changing our lifestyle and/or going on the gov't dole. Public aid is for those that need it.
"When government works well it is a beautiful thing." I am sure the same thing is being said in the halls of Goldman Sachs, AIG, JP Morgan Chase, Citicorp, etc. This type of entitlement mentality is exactly what is destroying the social and economic fabric of our country. Ask not, what your country can do for you...
I couldn't give a rat's behind about whether UI has strong brand recognition. Their mission is to provide citizens of IL with a quality education at an affordable price. They are failing miserably. And them asians ain't comin' from Clinton or Barrington. They're coming from the other side of the Pacific Ocean. I'm glad they've come here to suck on our resources.
That is what you may want the mission of the UI to be, but that doesn't mesh with reality, being that the actual mission of the UI is:
The University of Illinois will transform lives and serve society by educating, creating knowledge and putting knowledge to work on a large scale and with excellence.
People need to face the fact that UI is not in the buisiness of providing Illinois citizens with a quality education at an affordable price, and arguably hasn't been in that business for quite a long time. The directional schools, ISU and a couple other public institutions are in that business. UIUC, as a land-grant, sea-grant and space-grant university is in a completely different category than the other public universities in the state. Perhaps those who don't yet get what UIUC is actually doing should spend a little more time on the rest of campus instead of in Memorial Stadium or Assembly Hall...
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This last post conclusively proves that Arvid is in fact Laurel Prussing. Sad. - Anonymous on 2009-06-22 @ 9:30am
Perhaps those who don't yet get what UIUC is actually doing should spend a little more time on the rest of campus instead of in Memorial Stadium or Assembly Hall...
You might want to take a translator though....just sayin.
MRI's came from EMI, in the UK. The same EMI that published many albums.
source?
"MRI's came from EMI, in the UK. The same EMI that published many albums."
Incorrect. Paul Lauterbur (later of UI) developed the concept at SUNY-Stoneybrook with Peter Mansfield. Raymond Damadian (British but also working at SUNY) adapted MRI for medical applications and was awarded the first patent.
And I think the EMI you refer to in this case is actually electromagnetic interference, which is produced during an MRI session.
I find it fascinating that the same people who talk about a meritocracy when it comes to letting kids die of no health care suspend their meritocracy when it comes to the person being the best at their job but being from a different nationality or speaking a different language.
Todja So (about touring g the UI campus) suggested: You might want to take a translator though....just sayin.
Why would anyone need a translator ?
Michael Fuerst
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Why would anyone need a translator ?
I take it you haven't ridden a campus lately.
Here you go, doubters:
"The first commercially viable CT scanner was invented by Sir Godfrey Hounsfield at EMI Central Research Labs, Great Britain in 1972. EMI owned the distribution rights to The Beatles music and it was their profits which funded the research.[2] Sir Hounsfield and Alan McLeod McCormick shared the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 1979 for the invention of CT scanning. The first CT scanner in North America was installed at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN in 1972."
"Why would anyone need a translator ?"
Because you will be unable to communicate with all them crafty little asians unless you have one with you.
"The first commercially viable CT scanner was invented by Sir Godfrey Hounsfield at EMI Central Research Labs, Great Britain in 1972. EMI owned the distribution rights to The Beatles music and it was their profits which funded the research.[2] Sir Hounsfield and Alan McLeod McCormick shared the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 1979 for the invention of CT scanning. The first CT scanner in North America was installed at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN in 1972."
Apparently our Anonymous @ 9:25pm friend doens't realize that a CT scan is not the same as an MRI. The doubting continues, since you aren't even familiar with what technology you're talking about. Thanks for playing, though!
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This last post conclusively proves that Arvid is in fact Laurel Prussing. Sad. - Anonymous on 2009-06-22 @ 9:30am
you say potato, he says tomatto.
There's some debate about exactly who invented the MRI, but EMI (the record firm) has nothing to do with it. Clearly, one of the inventors -- in fact, the Nobel prize commitee saaid he was an inventor -- was Paul Lauterbur, who spent many years at the UI after he invented the MRI at Suny, I believe. UI students and researcherw were able to benefit from his pioneering knowledge.
That same goes for John Bardeen, the only scientist to win 2 Nobels. He invented the transistor at Bell Labs, then spent decadses at the UI. One of his first grad student was Nick Holonyak, who invented the light-emitting diode and stayed on at the Ui, where he stil is now.
These men were an elete. Horrors! We don't weant that!
Thety helped created the best eletrical engineering campus in the US and probably trhe world. Those EE students are highly sought after and well-paid.
That's jsut one depasrtemnt at the UI. Ther accounting dept. is world-famous. The journalism dept has a couple of Pulitzer-prize winners.
Parkland and EIU are great for what they do, but yuo get a far better eduication in EE and several other majors that you couyld ever get at those schools
I take it you haven't ridden a campus lately.
I am on campus fairly often
Because you will be unable to communicate with all them crafty little asians unless you have one with you.
Please explain
Michael Fuerst
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Mike, can you stop the 'please explain' schtick. We all realize when somebody says something stupid. Either call them on it or let it go.
Mike, can you stop the 'please explain' schtick.
Anonymous, please explain.
Michael Fuerst
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On November 7th, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Anonymous (not verified) said:
Thety helped created the best eletrical engineering campus in the US and probably trhe world. Those EE students are highly sought after and well-paid. That's jsut one depasrtemnt at the UI. Ther accounting dept. is world-famous. The journalism dept has a couple of Pulitzer-prize winners.
Parkland and EIU are great for what they do, but yuo get a far better eduication in EE and several other majors that you couyld ever get at those schools
As someone who attended Eastern, I can tell you that they do not have any sort of Engineering department. They do have a well-regarded business school, and the graduates from their College of Education are sought by many school districts, to the point where those districts will take an education grad with a "C" average from Eastern over an "A" student from other schools. The campus paper, The Daily Eastern News, has won many college journalism prizes.
No, Charleston isn't a flashy town, and Eastern is a small campus compared to the U of I. I'm not aware of any Nobel Prize laurates at Eastern.
But for what they do, they strive to do very well and produce well-rounded students.
I'm going to ignore all the spelling errors in your post, Anon, because I think you are doing that deliberately to be a smart aleck. If the errors weren't deliberate, you might want to keep SpellCheck and a good dictionary nearby when you are here.
Please don't feed the trolls. Thanks.
As the original anon who made the 'elitism' comment, I feel compelled to actually agree with Arvid. The comment was made somewhat in jest, but apparently it struck a nerve with a lot of people. I didn't attend UIUC. I would like to think I could have, but I didn't even apply. The Army would have picked up the tab, so it was not a money issue. It boiled down to the fact that UI didn't offer any degrees in anything I was remotely interested in. Other than engineering or agriculture, the UI isn't that special when it comes to their programs of study when compared to other state schools. I also didn't like the fact that most of the classes would be very big in size and usually taught by TA's.
Like Arvid said, the UI is unmatched when it comes to research. However, for the 99.9% of us that aren't going to become a nobel laureate or design jet engines, I would argue that another state school could do just as good or even better at spitting out college grads that are going to fill the ranks of the workforce. As one of the previous anon's stated, other state schools are probably better suited than UI in certain areas of study (I didn't go to EIU, either).